Journal of the Senate
of the Second Session of the 111th General Assembly
of the State of South Carolina
being the Regular Session Beginning Tuesday, January 9, 1996

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7. FOUR (4) LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION: E. Dixon Harrill, Jr., Mr. Frank E. Barron, III, Mr. Donald V. Myers, Mr. Ben T. DeBerry.

CHAIRMAN: The next candidate is Joseph B. Rosen. Mr. Rosen, please stand as you are sworn.
JOSEPH B. ROSEN, being duly sworn, states as follows:
CHAIRMAN: You'll be answering questions by counsel.
MR. DAVIS: Mr. Rosen, good morning.
A: Good morning.
Q: Real quickly, with regard to the personal data questionnaire and statement of economic interests that you submitted, do you affirm that the answers provided are true and correct?
A: Yes, sir, they are true and correct.
Q: And is there anything you'd like to add to these materials that you have submitted?
A: No, sir.
Q: And, finally, have you sought pledges from members of the General Assembly in violation of the no pledge rule as provided by law?
A: No, sir, I have not.
CHAIRMAN: Any members of the Committee have questions of Mr. Rosen?
REP. JOHN L. SCOTT: Joe, having known you for so many years ... If you are elected to the Employment Security, the nature of what you do as a business, will your time allow you to be a full-time representative of the Commission, or will you be part-time?
A: Yes, sir, I anticipate full-time. I have been working, as I am President of Rosen Appraisal Associates, with someone else to possibly take over. In addition, my father is semi-retired and would do the duties that I have been doing of operating the company. So, we would add probably additional staff to the company, but I do have less than a fifty percent ownership in the business, so we would have staff there and I would not be involved.
CHAIRMAN: Any other questions from the panel? Do you have a statement that you'd like to make for the record, Mr. Rosen?
A: I would just like to have the opportunity to serve the people of the State of South Carolina. I'm a third generation South Carolinian and my family's been here a little over a hundred years. To the best of my knowledge, nobody in my family has ever attempted to do anything other than run a business and take care of their families, and


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this is an opportunity that ... I appreciate the opportunity to appear in front of y'all and meeting the legislators in the upcoming months.
CHAIRMAN:: Well, it's good to meet you, too. Thank you, sir. The next candidate will be ... Many of you may not know this fellow, but he's known as "Bubba", John J. Snow. John, it's good to have you.

PERSONAL DATA QUESTIONNAIRE SUMMARY

Mr. John J. "Bubba" Snow
Home Address:
Route 1, Box 192
Hemingway, SC 29554

1. He is married to Ms. Penelope Grainger Snow. They have three children: Penelope, Sallie, and John.

2. EDUCATION: USC, 1948; Clemson 1954, B.S. in Agronomy.

3. EMPLOYMENT: Self-employed farmer, 1956 - Present.

4. PUBLIC OFFICES HELD: November, 1976 to November, 1994, Member, SC House of Representatives.

5. CORPORATE OFFICERSHIP AND OWNERSHIP: Director, Pee Dee Farm Credit, Agricultural Lender.

6. PROFESSIONAL & CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS: SC Farm Bureau, Wellman Country Club, American Legion, Lions Club.

7. FIVE (5) LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION: Mr. J. Wesley Kennedy, Reverend Olyn D. Shytle, Mr. W. E. Jenkinson, III, Mr. William H. Chandler, and Mr. William W. Doar, Jr.

JOHN J. SNOW, being duly sworn, states as follows:
CHAIRMAN: Bubba, would you please answer any questions our counsel might address?
A: Yes, sir.
MR. DAVIS: Do you affirm that the answers provided on the personal data questionnaire and the statement of economic interests are true and correct?
A: I do.


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Q: And do you have anything that you'd like to add to these materials?
A: No.
Q: I do have on question I'd like to ask you. On question sixteen of the statement of economic interests, it states that you must report the interest ownership of five percent or a hundred thousand dollars, and on question twelve of the personal ... you list primary occupation as an owner of a farm operation?
A: Yes.
Q: Is that interest ... does not exceed a hundred thousand dollars, is what you're saying?
A: Well, it hadn't exceeded a hundred thousand dollars in the last four or five years.
CHAIRMAN: Any questions from members of the panel?
REP. LEWIS VAUGHN: I got one. Bubba, you want to tell me what your intent is with this farm?
A: My son, who is twenty-nine years old, manages ... actually, my farm is pretty much part-time. We run a feed and cattle operation.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. Anything you'd like to say, John?
A: Well, I've had eighteen years of public service that's been most rewarding and I'd like to continue that service.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir. Our last candidate will be Representative Carole Wells.

PERSONAL DATA QUESTIONNAIRE SUMMARY

Mrs. Carole C. Wells
Home Address: Business Address:
104 Spring Valley Drive 530-D Blatt Building
Spartanburg, SC 29301 Columbia, SC 29211

1. She is married to Mr. John Eldred Wells. They have three children: John Lee Wells, Eric Todd Wells, and William Allen Wells.

2. EDUCATION: Attended Spartanburg Methodist College, Spartanburg, SC, Fall 1990 - Spring 1991, Part-time student - Night School.

3. EMPLOYMENT: 1978-1980, Real Estate Agent, Piedmont Realty; 1977-1978, Co-owner, Springfield Texaco; 1983-1987, Co-owner, Wells' Products; 1984-1985, Professional Interviewer, Department of Commerce; 1984 to approximately 10/85, Department of


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Commerce/US Census Bureau, Charlotte, NC; Professional Interviewer for Job Training Programs, traveled NC, SC and Tennessee.

4. PUBLIC OFFICES HELD: 11-86 to Present, Elected to SC House of Representatives.

5. MONEY SPENT FOR CANDIDACY: $24.00, Paper and Envelopes, June 1995; $54.40, Postage, June 1995.

6. PROFESSIONAL & CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS: Appalachian Council of Governments, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), 1995, Membership Committee; Women in Government, Washington, D.C.; National Order of Women Legislators (NOWL), 1995, Vice President, 1993-1994, Secretary, 1991-1992, Regional Director; Spartanburg Chamber of Commerce, 1990-Present, Board of Directors; Governor's Committee for Childhood Immunizations, 1995, Chair. American Red Cross, Volunteer; Spartanburg Christian Womens' Club; South Carolina PTA; First Monday Club; Republican Women's Club; STOP Drugs Now; Arts Council Advisory Board.

7. FIVE (5) LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION: Mr. Jake Greer, Mr. Adger Earnhardt, Mr. Houston Miles, Mrs. Ann B. Ring, Ms. Constance D. Antonsen

CAROLE WELLS, being duly sworn, states as follows:
CHAIRMAN: Our counsel has some questions.
A: All right.
MR. DAVIS: Do you affirm that the answers provided on the personal data questionnaire and statement of economic interests are true and correct?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: And do you have anything that you'd like to add to these materials?
A: No, sir.
Q: Finally, have you sought pledges in violation of the no candidate rule?
A: No, sir.
CHAIRMAN: Any questions from any members of the Committee? Ms. Wells, if you have any statement you'd like to make for the record, please do so at this time.


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A: Just that I have served this State for ten years now. It's been an honor to serve the people of South Carolina and I would consider it an honor to serve on the Commission. And I would be a full-time participant. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN: That concludes the screening and ...
REP. LEWIS VAUGHN: I have a question about these folks that didn't show up, we will have another executive session and screening?
CHAIRMAN: No, sir. Unless the Committee has some ... they wish to leave it open for that. I thank all of you for coming. We'll have an executive session, if you want to stay around, later on. Frank, has a statement he'd like to make for the record, our Clerk.
MR. CAGGIANO: Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, I want to make a statement for the record. All of the candidates were given notification of the time, date and place of this hearing. Everyone was advised of it.
CHAIRMAN: We'll have a brief executive session now. If you want to stay around you may, if you want to go home, you may.
MR. JOHN E. BONAPARTE, JR.: May I ask a question before we dismiss?
CHAIRMAN: Yes, sir.
MR. JOHN E. BONAPARTE, JR.: Will we receive any follow up information based upon ...
CHAIRMAN: We are going to discuss that in just a moment. If you want to stay around, in a few minutes we'll let you know our Committee's decision is.

(EXECUTIVE SESSION)

CHAIRMAN: The Clerk has a statement to make.
MR. CAGGIANO: The Committee wishes the record to reflect that Adrian Enzastiga, W. Harold Graves, Robert H. Joseph, Harold Langbehn, Jr. and Robert McArver all received the necessary and appropriate materials as well as schedules for the proceedings of this committee, but did not show up today and are not present, and have not been present for the screening. The Committee wishes all of the candidates to know and understand that the record of the Committee remains open until it completes its work on the screening of the candidates for the Employment Security Commission. It wishes to admonish all the candidates that they remain under oath for the purposes of any future or further screenings, should they become necessary. And to admonish the candidates that they are not to seek pledges in violation of the applicable


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provisions of Chapter 13 of Title 8, which is Section 8-13-930 of the 1976 Code. I have nothing further.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Anything else from Members of the Committee? I wish to move to adjourn this meeting, all those in favor say "Aye".
ALL: Aye.
CHAIRMAN: Thank all of you for coming.

Summary

The Committee finds the following persons qualified:

John E. Bonaparte, Jr.
C. D. Chamblee
Samuel R. Foster
J. William McLeod
Kathleen Riley
Joseph B. Rosen
John J. Snow, Jr.
Carole C. Wells

Respectfully submitted,
/s/Senator Edward E. Saleeby, Chairman
/s/Rep. Lewis R. Vaughn, Vice Chairman
/s/Senator Larry A. Martin
/s/Senator Darrell Jackson
/s/Senator John R. Russell
/s/Rep. John L. Scott, Jr.
/s/Rep. William D. Smith
/s/Rep. Daniel T. Cooper

On motion of Senator SALEEBY, with unanimous consent, ordered printed in the Journal.

MOTIONS ADOPTED

Privilege of the Floor

On motion of Senator HOLLAND, with unanimous consent, Senator DRUMMOND's wife, Holly, and other family and special guests were granted the Privilege of the Floor.


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Privilege of the Floor

On motion of Senator HOLLAND, with unanimous consent, the Sergeant-at-Arms was authorized and directed, for this week only, to admit representatives of the media to be granted the Privilege of the Floor in such locations and under such circumstances as will not disrupt the proceedings of the Senate.

MOTION ADOPTED

On motion of Senator HOLLAND, with unanimous consent, the regular order of the day was suspended and the Senate proceeded to the necessary Senate organization matters in accordance with the following agenda and that upon completion of the following agenda, the Senate would return to the regular order of the day.

Agenda of Business

1. Nomination and election of the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

2. Administration of the Oath of Office and the Robing of the President Pro Tempore

3. Remarks by the President Pro Tempore

4. Members' selection of seat assignments

5. Members' selection of Committee assignments (Rule 19)

6. Nomination and election of Committee Chairmen (Judiciary and Fish, Game and Forestry)

7. President Pro Tempore moves that the Lt. Governor be granted leave to address the Senate

8. Lt. Governor's Remarks

9. Regular Order of Business

ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

Senator HOLLAND nominated Senator DRUMMOND of Greenwood.

Nominating Remarks

I RISE TODAY, PROUD OF THE TRADITION THAT ACCORDS ME THIS HONOR AND PROUD TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WILL ELEVATE ONE OF OUR MEMBERS TO THE HIGHEST OFFICE ELECTED BY THIS BODY.

LIKE MOST LEADERS WHO HAVE REACHED THIS PINNACLE, THE SENATOR WE WILL ELECT TODAY HAS SERVED THIS STATE IN MANY CAPACITIES, BRINGING DISTINCTION TO


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HIMSELF AND THIS BODY IN EACH OF THE POSITIONS HE HAS HELD.

AND, LIKE A GREAT MANY OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE HIS CONTEMPORARIES - OUR NEW PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE SERVED OUR COUNTRY ON THE BATTLE FIELDS OF WORLD WAR II.

HIS METTLE HAS BEEN TESTED IN THE STARK EXISTENCE OF A PRISONER OF WAR CAMP, THERE HE HONED HIS SKILLS AS A RELENTLESS AND TENACIOUS FIGHTER, ONE WHO GIVES HIS ALL FOR WHAT HE BELIEVES IN.

THERE - HE ALSO LEARNED THE NEED FOR CONCILIATION, AND THE TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES WHICH RESULT WHEN PEOPLE CANNOT OR WILL NOT FIND COMMON GROUND.

THE SENATOR FROM GREENWOOD IS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL QUALIFIED FOR THE MANTLE WE, TODAY, WILL PLACE ON HIS SHOULDERS.

WITH THE SUPPORT OF A LOVING WIFE AND FAMILY AND WITH THE HELP OF HIS COLLEAGUES IN THIS BODY AND THROUGHOUT GOVERNMENT, SENATOR JOHN DRUMMOND - WILL - THIS DAY - PICK UP THE CHALLENGE OF PROPER TRADITION AND - DURING HIS TENURE - FORGE NEW TOOLS FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF TOMORROW.

MR. PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE SENATE - MISS HOLLY AND ALL OF THE DRUMMOND FAMILY, FRIENDS AND GUESTS - WITH GREAT PRIDE AND DEEP RESPECT - I NOMINATE THE HONORABLE JOHN DRUMMOND TO BE ELECTED TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SOUTH CAROLINA SENATE.

The nomination of Senator DRUMMOND was seconded.

Senator J. VERNE SMITH moved that the nominations be closed and that Senator DRUMMOND be elected by acclamation.

Senator DRUMMOND was elected by acclamation.

The PRESIDENT appointed Senator HOLLAND to escort Senator DRUMMOND, Mrs. Drummond, and Senator DRUMMOND'S granddaughter, Holly, to the rostrum.

The Oath of Office was administered by the PRESIDENT.

Senator DRUMMOND was then robed by his wife and granddaughter.


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The PRESIDENT appointed Senators SALEEBY and J. VERNE SMITH to escort Senator DRUMMOND from the Desk and seat him at the desk of the PRESIDENT Pro Tempore.

Remarks by the PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE

ALL OF US THIS MORNING BEGIN OUR JOBS AND THIS NEW SESSION WITH A GREAT SENSE OF LOSS. THERE IS AN EMPTINESS IN THIS CHAMBER WHICH TOUCHES US DEEPLY AS MEMBERS OF THE SENATE, AND AS PERSONAL FRIENDS WHO WILL MISS MARSHALL WILLIAMS AND HIS LEADERSHIP VERY MUCH.

THERE IS ALSO IN THIS CHAMBER, HOWEVER, A SENSE OF TRADITION TO WHICH WE ALL MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS. SEN. WILLIAMS MADE DISTINCT AND LASTING CONTRIBUTIONS AS A MAN OF FAIRNESS AND DECENCY. HE WAS A LEADER BEHIND THE SCENES, A MAN WHO DID NOT SEEK OUT THE SPOTLIGHT OF PUBLIC ATTENTION. HE ONCE SAID, "I DO NOT WISH TO BE REMEMBERED AS A STRONG LEADER OF THE SENATE; I WISH TO BE REMEMBERED AS A LEADER OF A STRONG SENATE."

AS I ASSUME TODAY THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT PRO TEM OF THE SENATE, I HAVE SIMILAR ASPIRATIONS. THIS IS A CHAMBER WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS KNOWN ITS DIFFERENCES AND DISAGREEMENTS; THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT. SOUTH CAROLINA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A STATE OF DIFFERING AND OFTEN CONFLICTING INTERESTS--UPCOUNTRY AND LOWCOUNTRY, URBAN INTERESTS AND RURAL, LARGE COUNTIES AND SMALL. THESE ARE HEALTHY DIFFERENCES, AND OVER THE YEARS, THIS SENATE HAS DISTINGUISHED ITSELF AS A PLACE WHERE DIFFERENCES CAN BE RESOLVED EVENLY, FAIRLY AND HONORABLY.

WE SHOULD EXPECT NO LESS OF OURSELVES TODAY. THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM HAS BECOME A FACT OF LIFE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, AND HAS CREATED SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE STATE'S POLITICAL PROCESS. BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE STATE SENATORS FIRST AND POLITICIANS SECOND. NO MATTER WHETHER WE ARE REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, OR INDEPENDENTS, THE PUBLIC INTEREST MUST COME AHEAD OF THE PARTISAN INTEREST. THIS SENATE, AND THIS STATE, CAN ENDURE HEALTHY DIFFERENCES, BUT IT CANNOT


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ENDURE DESTRUCTIVE DIVISIONS WHICH CAN DAMAGE OUR VERY ABILITY TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEEDS AND INTERESTS OF THIS STATE, WE MUST STAND UNITED AS SENATORS WHO RESPECT EACH OTHER, AND WHO RESPECT THE GREAT HISTORY AND TRADITIONS OF THIS SENATE. ONE OF OUR GREAT LEADERS, REMBERT DENNIS, HAD A VERY CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIP FOR YEARS WITH ANOTHER GREAT LEADER, MARION GRESSETTE. HE USED TO TALK ABOUT THAT FRIENDSHIP WITH SEN. GRESSETTE, AND HE SAID ONCE, "UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED I FALL."

THAT SUMS UP MY SENTIMENT ABOUT THIS SENATE. UNITED IN OUR COMMITMENT TO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST, WE STAND AND WE STAND STRONGLY; DIVIDED, AS INDIVIDUALS, WE FALL AND FALL BADLY. IT IS MY HOPE, AND MY INTENTION, TO USE WHATEVER MEANS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROMOTE UNITY AND FAIRNESS AMONG MEMBERS OF THIS SENATE. I WILL CONTINUE CONVENING THE CHAIRMENS COMMITTEE AS A MEANS OF IMPROVING COMMUNICATION AND HELPING TO SET THE AGENDA OF PRIORITIES FOR THIS BODY'S CONSIDERATION. I WILL WORK WITH THE LT. GOVERNOR AND THE CLERK IN WHATEVER WAY POSSIBLE TO EXPEDITE BUSINESS, AND THE DOOR TO MY OFFICE WILL STAND OPEN AT ALL TIMES FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO DISCUSS THE BUSINESS OF THIS STATE AND THIS SENATE.

YOU'VE DONE THE SENATOR FROM NINETY SIX A GREAT HONOR IN ELECTING ME TO THIS POSITION, AN HONOR FOR ME, AND AN HONOR FOR THE MUCH BETTER HALF OF THE DRUMMOND FAMILY, MY WIFE, HOLLY. I RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS LARGELY A CEREMONIAL POSITION, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IT CAN BE USEFUL IN PROMOTING THE INTERESTS OF THE SENATE. THE PREDECESSORS IN THIS POSITION, MEN LIKE SEN. WILLIAMS, SEN. DENNIS, SEN. GRESSETTE AND SEN. EDGAR BROWN, LEFT PROFOUND AND POSITIVE INFLUENCES ON THIS STATE, AND MADE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS STATE SENATE. TO THEIR GREAT CREDIT, THEY TAUGHT US AN IMPORTANT LESSON, AS LAWMAKERS AND AS SOUTH CAROLINIANS. THEY TAUGHT US HOW TO CHANGE, WITH GRACE AND WITH DIGNITY, AND I THINK OF THAT OFTEN. I THINK OF SEN. I. DEQUINCEY


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