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122nd Session, 2017-2018 Journal of the House of Representatives
(Statewide Session)
The House assembled at 12:00 noon. Our thought for today is from Proverbs 22:9: "Give instruction to the wise, and they will become wiser still, teach the righteous and they will gain in learning." Let us pray. Blessed are You, O Lord our God, You have created in us the will to use our minds to work and help others. Create in us wise minds as leaders who live and teach by example to those we serve. Continue to guide these Representatives to do what is right. We ask Your blessings on our defenders of freedom and first responders who keep us safe. Bless our Nation, President, State, Governor, Speaker, staff, and each one in this Assembly. Heal the wounds, those seen and those hidden, of our brave warriors who suffer and sacrifice for our freedom. Lord, in Your mercy, hear our prayers. Amen. Pursuant to Rule 6.3, the House of Representatives was led in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America by the SPEAKER. After corrections to the Journal of the proceedings of Friday, the SPEAKER ordered it confirmed.
Rep. ROBINSON-SIMPSON moved that when the House adjourns, it adjourn in memory of Master Savario Tyson "TJ" Gambrell, Jr., which was agreed to.
Rep. BALES, from the Committee on Invitations and Memorial Resolutions, submitted a favorable report on:
H. 5270 (Word version) -- Reps. Hiott, Clary and Collins: A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION TO REQUEST THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NAME THE INTERCHANGE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH CAROLINA HIGHWAY 123 AND CARTEE ROAD IN PICKENS COUNTY THE "CHARLES E. DALTON INTERCHANGE" AND ERECT APPROPRIATE MARKERS OR SIGNS AT THIS INTERCHANGE CONTAINING THIS DESIGNATION.
The following was introduced: H. 5285 (Word version) -- Reps. Toole, Gilliard, Anderson, Jefferson, Williams, Brown, Pendarvis, Stavrinakis, Alexander, Allison, Anthony, Arrington, Atkinson, Atwater, Bales, Ballentine, Bamberg, Bannister, Bennett, Bernstein, Blackwell, Bowers, Bradley, Brawley, Bryant, Burns, Caskey, Chumley, Clary, Clemmons, Clyburn, Cobb-Hunter, Cogswell, Cole, Collins, Crawford, Crosby, Daning, Davis, Delleney, Dillard, Douglas, Duckworth, Elliott, Erickson, Felder, Finlay, Forrest, Forrester, Fry, Funderburk, Gagnon, Govan, Hamilton, Hardee, Hart, Hayes, Henderson, Henderson-Myers, Henegan, Herbkersman, Hewitt, Hill, Hiott, Hixon, Hosey, Howard, Huggins, Johnson, Jordan, King, Kirby, Knight, Loftis, Long, Lowe, Lucas, Mace, Mack, Magnuson, Martin, McCoy, McCravy, McEachern, McGinnis, McKnight, D. C. Moss, V. S. Moss, Murphy, B. Newton, W. Newton, Norrell, Ott, Parks, Pitts, Pope, Putnam, Ridgeway, M. Rivers, S. Rivers, Robinson-Simpson, Rutherford, Sandifer, Simrill, G. M. Smith, G. R. Smith, J. E. Smith, Sottile, Spires, Stringer, Tallon, Taylor, Thayer, Thigpen, Trantham, Weeks, West, Wheeler, White, Whitmire, Willis, Young and Yow: A HOUSE RESOLUTION TO HONOR DR. CHARLES S. GREENBERG FOR HIS SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE FIELD OF MEDICINE AND TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE FOR THE EFFORTS HE PUTS FORTH TO INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF HIS PATIENTS. The Resolution was adopted.
The following was introduced: H. 5286 (Word version) -- Reps. Gilliard, Williams, Jefferson, Alexander, Allison, Anderson, Anthony, Arrington, Atkinson, Atwater, Bales, Ballentine, Bamberg, Bannister, Bennett, Bernstein, Blackwell, Bowers, Bradley, Brawley, Brown, Bryant, Burns, Caskey, Chumley, Clary, Clemmons, Clyburn, Cobb-Hunter, Cogswell, Cole, Collins, Crawford, Crosby, Daning, Davis, Delleney, Dillard, Douglas, Duckworth, Elliott, Erickson, Felder, Finlay, Forrest, Forrester, Fry, Funderburk, Gagnon, Govan, Hamilton, Hardee, Hart, Hayes, Henderson, Henderson-Myers, Henegan, Herbkersman, Hewitt, Hill, Hiott, Hixon, Hosey, Howard, Huggins, Johnson, Jordan, King, Kirby, Knight, Loftis, Long, Lowe, Lucas, Mace, Mack, Magnuson, Martin, McCoy, McCravy, McEachern, McGinnis, McKnight, D. C. Moss, V. S. Moss, Murphy, B. Newton, W. Newton, Norrell, Ott, Parks, Pendarvis, Pitts, Pope, Putnam, Ridgeway, M. Rivers, S. Rivers, Robinson-Simpson, Rutherford, Sandifer, Simrill, G. M. Smith, G. R. Smith, J. E. Smith, Sottile, Spires, Stavrinakis, Stringer, Tallon, Taylor, Thayer, Thigpen, Toole, Trantham, Weeks, West, Wheeler, White, Whitmire, Willis, Young and Yow: A HOUSE RESOLUTION TO COMMEMORATE THE FIFTIETH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ASSASSINATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS' LEADER AND ICON, REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR., AND TO HONOR HIS IDEALS AND PERPETUATE HIS DREAM FOR AMERICA. The Resolution was adopted.
The following was introduced: H. 5287 (Word version) -- Reps. Daning, Crosby, Sottile, Alexander, Allison, Anderson, Anthony, Arrington, Atkinson, Atwater, Bales, Ballentine, Bamberg, Bannister, Bennett, Bernstein, Blackwell, Bowers, Bradley, Brawley, Brown, Bryant, Burns, Caskey, Chumley, Clary, Clemmons, Clyburn, Cobb-Hunter, Cogswell, Cole, Collins, Crawford, Davis, Delleney, Dillard, Douglas, Duckworth, Elliott, Erickson, Felder, Finlay, Forrest, Forrester, Fry, Funderburk, Gagnon, Gilliard, Govan, Hamilton, Hardee, Hart, Hayes, Henderson, Henderson-Myers, Henegan, Herbkersman, Hewitt, Hill, Hiott, Hixon, Hosey, Howard, Huggins, Jefferson, Johnson, Jordan, King, Kirby, Knight, Loftis, Long, Lowe, Lucas, Mace, Mack, Magnuson, Martin, McCoy, McCravy, McEachern, McGinnis, McKnight, D. C. Moss, V. S. Moss, Murphy, B. Newton, W. Newton, Norrell, Ott, Parks, Pendarvis, Pitts, Pope, Putnam, Ridgeway, M. Rivers, S. Rivers, Robinson-Simpson, Rutherford, Sandifer, Simrill, G. M. Smith, G. R. Smith, J. E. Smith, Spires, Stavrinakis, Stringer, Tallon, Taylor, Thayer, Thigpen, Toole, Trantham, Weeks, West, Wheeler, White, Whitmire, Williams, Willis, Young and Yow: A HOUSE RESOLUTION TO DECLARE MAY 6-12, 2018, AS "MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK" IN SOUTH CAROLINA, TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MUNICIPAL CLERKS TO CITIES AND TOWNS IN SOUTH CAROLINA, AND TO CELEBRATE THE FORTIETH ANNIVERSARY OF THE MUNICIPAL FINANCE OFFICERS, CLERKS, AND TREASURERS ASSOCIATION, AN AFFILIATE OF THE MUNICIPAL ASSOCIATION OF SOUTH CAROLINA. The Resolution was adopted.
The following Bill was introduced, read the first time, and referred to appropriate committee:
S. 1160 (Word version) -- Senators Campsen, Kimpson, Goldfinch, Campbell, Bennett, Grooms, M. B. Matthews and Senn: A BILL TO AMEND ACT 340 OF 1967, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE CHARLESTON COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MAY ESTABLISH COMPENSATION FOR BOARD MEMBERS IN AN AMOUNT UP TO EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH, AND NINE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR THE CHARLESTON COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD CHAIRMAN, AND TO PROVIDE THAT ANY COMPENSATION AMOUNT ESTABLISHED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES MUST NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED ELECTION FOR BOARD MEMBERS.
The roll call of the House of Representatives was taken resulting as follows: Alexander Allison Anderson Anthony Arrington Atkinson Atwater Bales Ballentine Bamberg Bannister Bennett Bernstein Blackwell Bowers Bradley Brawley Brown Bryant Burns Caskey Chumley Clary Clemmons Clyburn Cobb-Hunter Cogswell Cole Collins Crosby Daning Davis Delleney Dillard Douglas Duckworth Elliott Erickson Felder Finlay Forrest Forrester Fry Funderburk Gagnon Gilliard Govan Hamilton Hardee Hart Hayes Henderson Henderson-Myers Henegan Herbkersman Hewitt Hiott Hixon Hosey Howard Huggins Jefferson Johnson Jordan King Kirby Knight Loftis Long Lowe Lucas Mace Mack Magnuson Martin McCoy McCravy McEachern McGinnis McKnight D. C. Moss V. S. Moss Murphy B. Newton W. Newton Norrell Ott Parks Pendarvis Pitts Pope Putnam Ridgeway M. Rivers S. Rivers Robinson-Simpson Rutherford Sandifer Simrill G. M. Smith G. R. Smith Sottile Spires Stavrinakis Stringer Tallon Taylor Thayer Thigpen Toole Trantham Weeks West Wheeler White Whitmire Williams Willis Young Yow
The SPEAKER granted Rep. HILL a leave of absence for the day due to medical reasons.
Announcement was made that Dr. Patricia W. Witherspoon of Columbia was the Doctor of the Day for the General Assembly.
In accordance with House Rule 5.2 below: "5.2 Every bill before presentation shall have its title endorsed; every report, its title at length; every petition, memorial, or other paper, its prayer or substance; and, in every instance, the name of the member presenting any paper shall be endorsed and the papers shall be presented by the member to the Speaker at the desk. A member may add his name to a bill or resolution or a co-sponsor of a bill or resolution may remove his name at any time prior to the bill or resolution receiving passage on second reading. The member or co-sponsor shall notify the Clerk of the House in writing of his desire to have his name added or removed from the bill or resolution. The Clerk of the House shall print the member's or co-sponsor's written notification in the House Journal. The removal or addition of a name does not apply to a bill or resolution sponsored by a committee."
Bill Number: H. 4892 (Word version)
Bill Number: H. 4896 (Word version)
The following Bill was taken up: S. 949 (Word version) -- Senators M. B. Matthews, Malloy, Rice, Cash, Massey and Senn: A BILL TO AMEND ARTICLE 5, CHAPTER 21, TITLE 24 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO PROBATION, BY ADDING SECTION 24-21-435, TO PROVIDE THAT PROBATION OFFICERS, COURT PERSONNEL, COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL PERSONNEL, PUBLIC OFFICIALS, AND PRIVATE VOLUNTEERS WHO PARTICIPATE IN COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAMS IN WHICH A PROBATIONER IS COMPLETING COMMUNITY SERVICE AS A CONDITION OF PROBATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 24-21-430 ARE NOT LIABLE FOR CIVIL DAMAGES UNLESS AN INJURY OR DAMAGES RESULT FROM THE GROSS NEGLIGENCE, RECKLESSNESS, OR INTENTIONAL MISCONDUCT OF SUCH PERSON. Rep. FORREST moved to adjourn debate on the Bill until Wednesday, April 25, which was agreed to.
The following Bill was taken up: H. 5155 (Word version) -- Reps. Pitts, G. M. Smith, Rutherford, Murphy, Delleney, Weeks, McCoy and Alexander: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 17-25-322, RELATING TO RESTITUTION TO CRIME VICTIMS, SO AS TO REQUIRE THAT THE COURT MUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES OF THE DEFENDANT AND ABILITY OF DEFENDANT TO PAY, REQUIRE IF A COURT FINDS A DEFENDANT FACES FINANCIAL HARDSHIP THAT THAT DEFENDANT MUST PAY NO LESS THAN A SPECIFIED AMOUNT, AND REQUIRE THE DEPARTMENT OF PROBATION, PAROLE AND PARDON SERVICES TO IMPOSE A PAYMENT SCHEDULE OF EQUAL MONTHLY PAYMENTS RESULTING IN FULL RESTITUTION BY THE END OF SUPERVISION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-280, RELATING TO THE DUTIES AND POWERS OF PROBATION AGENTS, SO AS TO REQUIRE PROBATION AGENTS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AN OFFENDER'S EFFECTIVE USE OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, TO PROVIDE FOR SUPERVISION FOR SENTENCES OF THREE HUNDRED SIXTY-FIVE DAYS OR MORE, TO SPECIFY HOW COMPLIANCE CREDITS MAY BE AWARDED AND HOW PROGRAMS MAY BE RECOGNIZED BY REGULATION AS PROPER FOR INCENTIVES, TO INFORM THE SENTENCING REFORM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE OF THE PROGRAMS DESIGNATED FOR COMPLIANCE CREDITS, AND TO PROVIDE THAT OFFENDER ELIGIBILITY FOR COMPLIANCE CREDITS AS PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION BE EXTENDED TO OFFENDERS WHOSE OFFENSES OCCURRED PRIOR TO JANUARY 1, 2011; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-440, RELATING TO THE PERIOD OF PROBATION, SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT THE PERIOD BE DEPENDENT UPON THE OFFENSE FOR WHICH THE DEFENDANT HAS BEEN SENTENCED, THAT RESTITUTION PAYMENTS MUST NOT BE REQUIRED FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF SUPERVISION AND THAT THE PERIOD FOR SUPERVISION OF RESTITUTION PAYMENTS MUST BE DETERMINED BY A JUDGE, THAT THE SUPERVISION OF RESTITUTION PAYMENT MUST NOT EXCEED FIVE YEARS AND IS ONLY REVOCABLE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF PROBATION FOR A WILFUL FAILURE TO MAKE RESTITUTION PAYMENTS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-560, RELATING TO THE COMMUNITY SUPERVISION PROGRAM, SO AS TO CLARIFY THAT ONCE COMMUNITY SUPERVISION IS COMPLETED AN OFFENDER IS STILL SUBJECT TO THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF SUPERVISION; BY ADDING SECTION 43-5-1191 SO AS TO EXEMPT INDIVIDUALS FROM THE ELIGIBILITY RESTRICTION ON SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE FOR NEEDY FAMILIES BENEFITS FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DRUG CONVICTIONS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ELIGIBLE AND TO PROVIDE FOR INELIGIBILITY IN THE EVENT AN INDIVIDUAL VIOLATES PROBATION, COMMUNITY SUPERVISION, OR PAROLE; TO AMEND SECTION 56-1-148, RELATING TO THE IDENTIFYING CODE AFFIXED TO THE DRIVER'S LICENSE OF A PERSON CONVICTED OF CERTAIN CRIMES, SO AS TO REMOVE THE FIFTY DOLLAR FEE ASSOCIATED WITH PLACING THE IDENTIFYING CODE ON A DRIVER'S LICENSE; TO DIRECT THE SENTENCING REFORM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO STUDY AND MAKE A REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CONCERNING THE COLLECTION OF RESTITUTION AND THE RISK AND NEEDS TOOL USED TO EVALUATE THE ENTIRE SUPERVISION POPULATION; TO AMEND SECTIONS 24-21-110 AND 24-21-430, RELATING TO ADMINISTRATIVE SANCTIONS AND CONDITIONS OF PROBATION, RESPECTIVELY, BOTH SO AS TO SET MAXIMUM JAIL CONFINEMENT PERIODS ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE SANCTION AND TO PROVIDE FURTHER PROCEDURES FOR REVOCATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-460, RELATING TO ACTIONS OF THE COURT IN CASES OF PROBATION VIOLATIONS, SO AS TO LIMIT REVOCATIONS FOR TECHNICAL VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-610, RELATING TO ELIGIBILITY FOR PAROLE, SO AS TO ALLOW FOR PAROLE ELIGIBILITY TO BE COMPUTED USING AN INMATE'S ACTIVE INCARCERATIVE SENTENCE AND TO AMEND REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO MEDICAL PAROLE; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-620, RELATING TO A PAROLE BOARD'S REVIEW, SO AS TO ALLOW FOR AUTOMATIC RELEASE ON PAROLE OF NONVIOLENT INMATES WHO HAVE MET CERTAIN CONDITIONS; BY ADDING SECTION 24-21-720 SO AS TO REQUIRE THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS TO CREATE AN INTAKE CASE PLAN FOR ALL PAROLE ELIGIBLE INMATES; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-645, RELATING TO PAROLE AND PROVISIONAL PAROLE ORDERS, SO AS TO LIMIT REVOCATIONS FOR TECHNICAL VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-660, RELATING TO THE EFFECT OF PAROLE, SO AS TO LIMIT PAROLE REVOCATIONS FOR TECHNICAL VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-680, RELATING TO VIOLATIONS OF PAROLE, SO AS TO LIMIT PAROLE REVOCATIONS FOR TECHNICAL VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-21-715, RELATING TO PAROLE FOR TERMINALLY ILL, GERIATRIC, OR PERMANENTLY DISABLED INMATES, SO AS TO AMEND THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND EXTEND ELIGIBILITY TO OTHER CATEGORIES OF INMATES AND LIMIT THE REASONS THE PAROLE BOARD CAN DENY THIS TYPE OF PAROLE; BY ADDING ARTICLE 7 TO CHAPTER 27, TITLE 24 SO AS TO PROVIDE THE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR WHICH AN INMATE WHO HAS BEEN INCARCERATED AT LEAST FIFTEEN YEARS MAY PETITION THE COURT TO HAVE HIS SENTENCE MODIFIED; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-150, RELATING TO THE EARLY RELEASE OF AN INMATE, SO AS TO REDUCE THE PERCENTAGE OF TIME AN INMATE WHO HAS COMMITTED A "NO PAROLE OFFENSE" MUST SERVE BEFORE HE MAY BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR EARLY RELEASE, DISCHARGE, OR COMMUNITY SUPERVISION FROM EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT TO SIXTY-FIVE PERCENT, AND TO PROVIDE A PROCEDURE THAT ALLOWS CERTAIN INMATES TO PETITION THE COURT TO MODIFY THEIR SENTENCE; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-210, RELATING TO CREDIT GIVEN TO AN INMATE FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR, SO AS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF GOOD BEHAVIOR DAYS AN INMATE WHO HAS COMMITTED A "NO PAROLE OFFENSE" MAY RECEIVE; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-230, RELATING TO CREDIT GIVEN TO AN INMATE FOR WORK AND EDUCATION CREDITS, SO AS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF WORK AND EDUCATION CREDIT DAYS AN INMATE WHO HAS COMMITTED A "NO PAROLE OFFENSE" MAY RECEIVE; TO AMEND SECTION 1-7-400, RELATING TO CIRCUIT SOLICITORS DISABLED BY INTOXICATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM PENALTY; TO AMEND SECTION 1-11-26, RELATING TO THE RURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AUTHORITY, SO AS TO AMEND THE PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION FROM SIX MONTHS TO NOT MORE THAN SIX MONTHS IN PRISON; TO AMEND SECTION 2-17-50, RELATING TO FAILURE TO FILE BY A LOBBYIST, SO AS TO AMEND THE PENALTIES FOR A SECOND OFFENSE; TO AMEND SECTION 4-11-60, RELATING TO COUNTY OFFICERS KEEPING RECORDS OF MONIES RECEIVED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 5-21-130, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL USE OF A SPECIALLY LEVIED TAX, SO AS TO AMEND THE PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION TO NOT MORE THAN SIX MONTHS IN PRISON; TO AMEND SECTION 5-21-500, RELATING TO A COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL COUNCIL MEMBER VOTING TO DIVERT FUNDS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 5-25-40, RELATING TO FAILURE TO INSTALL FIRE ALARM BOXES IN HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM PENALTY OF TEN DAYS IN PRISON FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 5-31-20, RELATING TO INTERFERENCE WITH SEWERS AND WATERWORKS, SO AS TO AMEND THE PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION FROM THIRTY DAYS TO NOT MORE THAN THIRTY DAYS; TO AMEND SECTION 7-13-1910, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF A VOTING MACHINE KEY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION OF TEN DAYS IN JAIL; TO AMEND SECTION 7-13-1920, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL TAMPERING OF VOTING MACHINES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM PENALTY FOR A VIOLATION OF NOT LESS THAN THREE MONTHS IN PRISON; TO AMEND SECTION 8-1-40, RELATING TO FAILURE OF A CLERK, SHERIFF, OR MAGISTRATE TO PAY OVER FINES OR PENALTIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 8-3-60, RELATING TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS' ASSUMPTION OF OFFICE BEFORE GIVING BOND, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED AND INCREASE THE MAXIMUM SENTENCE FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 8-13-1510, RELATING TO ETHICS AND GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY, LATE FILING OR FAILURE TO FILE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A SECOND OFFENSE VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 10-7-230, RELATING TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS' FAILURE TO OBTAIN INSURANCE ON PUBLIC BUILDINGS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 10-9-260, RELATING TO INTERFERING WITH STATE, DEPARTMENT, OR LICENSEES, PHOSPHATE MINING WITHOUT A LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 10-11-325, RELATING TO POSSESSING, TRANSPORTING, OR DETONATING AN EXPLOSIVE OR INCENDIARY DEVICE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 11-15-90, RELATING TO FAILURE OF POLITICAL SUBDIVISION DISBURSEMENT OFFICERS TO MAKE PAYMENT OR REMIT FUNDS FOR PAYMENT OF OBLIGATIONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 11-15-290, RELATING TO FAILURE TO MAKE INVESTMENTS FROM SINKING FUNDS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 12-21-2470, RELATING TO OPERATING A PLACE OF AMUSEMENT WITHOUT A LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 12-21-2830, RELATING TO RECORD REQUIRED OF GROSS RECEIPTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 12-21-3080, RELATING TO INTERFERENCE WITH AMUSEMENT TAX ENFORCEMENT OR REFUSAL TO ALLOW INSPECTION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 12-37-1130, RELATING TO PENALTIES FOR FALSE STATEMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 12-54-44, RELATING TO TAX OR REVENUE LAW PENALTIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 14-9-240, RELATING TO JUDGES AND SOLICITORS PROHIBITED FROM PRACTICING LAW IN CERTAIN CAUSES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 14-25-65, RELATING TO MAXIMUM PENALTIES THAT A MUNICIPAL COURT MAY IMPOSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 15-43-70, RELATING TO VIOLATION OF AN INJUNCTION AND PUNISHMENT FOR CONTEMPT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-610, RELATING TO CERTAIN OFFENSES COMMITTED WITH A CARRIED OR CONCEALED DEADLY WEAPON, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-625, RELATING TO RESISTING ARREST WITH A DEADLY WEAPON, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION AND REMOVE PROVISIONS THAT PROVIDED THE SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO COMMON LAW ASSAULT AND BATTERY WITH INTENT TO KILL; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-755 RELATING TO SEXUAL BATTERY WITH A STUDENT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-1045, RELATING TO USE OR EMPLOYMENT OF PERSONS UNDER EIGHTEEN TO COMMIT CERTAIN CRIMES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-1280, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF FALSE CLAIMS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTIONS 16-3-1710 AND 16-3-1720, RELATING TO THE OFFENSES OF HARASSMENT, BOTH SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-1730, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF STALKING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-1770, RELATING TO RESTRAINING ORDERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-3-2090, RELATING TO FORFEITURE OF PROPERTY USED IN TRAFFICKING IN PERSONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-9-230, RELATING TO PERSONS HOLDING OFFICE ACCEPTING EXTRA COMPENSATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-9-250, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL ACCEPTANCE OF REMUNERATION BY PEACE OFFICERS FOR PERFORMING OFFICIAL DUTIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-130, RELATING TO BURNING PERSONAL PROPERTY TO DEFRAUD INSURERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-180, RELATING TO NEGLIGENTLY ALLOWING FIRE TO SPREAD TO PROPERTY OF ANOTHER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-350, RELATING TO TRAIN ROBBERY BY STOPPING A TRAIN, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-360, RELATING TO ROBBERY AFTER ENTRY UPON A TRAIN, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-510, RELATING TO MALICIOUS INJURY TO ANIMALS AND OTHER PERSONAL PROPERTY, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-520, RELATING TO MALICIOUS INJURY TO A TREE, HOUSE, OUTSIDE FENCE, OR FIXTURE, AND TRESPASS UPON REAL PROPERTY, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-535, RELATING TO MALICIOUS INJURY TO PLACES OF WORSHIP, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-590, RELATING TO DESTRUCTION OF SEA OAT OR VENUS-FLYTRAP PLANTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-650, RELATING TO REMOVING, DESTROYING, OR LEAVING DOWN FENCES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-11-770, RELATING TO ILLEGAL GRAFFITI VANDALISM, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-10, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF FORGERY, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-30, RELATING TO SIMPLE LARCENY OF GOODS OR BILLS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-40, RELATING TO STEALING OF BONDS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-50, RELATING TO STEALING OF LIVESTOCK, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-66, RELATING TO STEALING OR DAMAGING AQUACULTURE OPERATIONS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-70, RELATING TO STEALING OF VESSELS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-110, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF SHOPLIFTING, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-180, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF RECEIVING STOLEN GOODS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-230, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF BREACH OF TRUST WITH FRAUDULENT INTENT, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-240, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF OBTAINING SIGNATURE OR PROPERTY BY FALSE PRETENSES, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-260, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF OBTAINING PROPERTY UNDER FALSE TOKENS OR LETTERS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-300, RELATING TO FRAUDULENT REMOVAL OR SECRETING OF PERSONAL PROPERTY ATTACHED OR LEVIED UPON, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-420, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF FAILURE TO RETURN LEASED OR RENTED PROPERTY, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-13-430, RELATING TO FRAUDULENT ACQUISITION OR USE OF FOOD STAMPS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-14-60, RELATING TO FINANCIAL TRANSACTION CARD FRAUD, SO AS TO AMEND THE JURISDICTION OF MAGISTRATES COURT AND TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-14-80, RELATING TO RECEIVING STOLEN GOODS, SO AS TO AMEND THE JURISDICTION OF THE MAGISTRATES COURT AND REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-15-10, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF BIGAMY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-15-20, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF INCEST, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-15-60, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF ADULTERY OR FORNICATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-15-110, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF PROSTITUTION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-15-120, RELATING TO THE ABOMINABLE CRIME OF BUGGERY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-310, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF IMITATION OF ORGANIZATIONS' NAMES OR EMBLEMS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-520, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF DISTURBANCE OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-570, RELATING TO INTERFERENCE WITH FIRE AND POLICE ALARM BOXES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-580, RELATING TO REMOVING STATE LINE MARKERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-600, RELATING TO DESTRUCTION OR DESECRATION OF HUMAN REMAINS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-610, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF SOLICITING EMIGRANTS WITHOUT LICENSES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-690, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF FORTUNE-TELLING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-17-735, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF IMPERSONATING OFFICIALS OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-19-10, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL SETTING UP OF LOTTERIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-19-160, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL PUNCHBOARDS FOR GAMING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-21-80, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF RECEIVING, POSSESSING, CONCEALING, SELLING, OR DISPOSING OF STOLEN VEHICLES, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 16-23-450, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF PLACING LOADED TRAP GUNS, SPRING GUNS, OR LIKE DEVICES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-23-460, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-23-730, RELATING TO A HOAX DEVICE OR REPLICA OF DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE OR DETONATOR, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-23-740, RELATING TO HINDERING AN EXPLOSIVE ORDINANCE TECHNICIAN, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 16-23-750, RELATING TO CONVEYING FALSE INFORMATION REGARDING ATTEMPTED USE OF A DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTIONS 16-27-30 AND 16-27-40, RELATING TO THE OFFENSE OF ANIMAL FIGHTING OR BAITING, BOTH SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 17-25-20, RELATING TO PUNISHMENT FOR A FELONY WHEN NOT SPECIALLY PROVIDED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 20-1-210, RELATING TO LICENSE REQUIRED FOR MARRIAGE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 20-1-220, RELATING TO A PROBATE JUDGE MARRIAGE LICENSE VIOLATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 20-3-220, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL ADVERTISING FOR PURPOSE OF PROCURING DIVORCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 22-1-70, RELATING TO DISPOSITION OF FINES AND PENALTIES IMPOSED AND COLLECTED IN CRIMINAL CASES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 22-1-140, RELATING TO THE RETURN OF BOOKS RECEIVED BY A MAGISTRATE FROM THE CLERK OF COURT AT THE EXPIRATION OF THE MAGISTRATES TERM, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 22-5-170, RELATING TO DUTY OF SPECIAL OFFICERS APPOINTED BY MAGISTRATES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 22-7-40, RELATING TO RECEIPT OF CERTAIN COMPENSATION BY MAGISTRATES IN CRIMINAL CASES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 23-1-140, RELATING TO RURAL POLICEMEN COLLECTING FEES IN CERTAIN CASES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 23-3-310, RELATING TO IMPROPER RELEASE OF INFORMATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 23-3-430, RELATING TO THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY, SO AS TO REQUIRE THE COURT TO MAKE A FINDING ON THE RECORD THAT THE OFFENSE INCLUDED A CRIMINAL SEXUAL OFFENSE FOR A PERSON CONVICTED OF KIDNAPPING IN ORDER FOR THE OFFENDER TO BE PLACED ON THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY; TO AMEND SECTION 23-3-470, RELATING TO FAILURE TO REGISTER AS A SEX OFFENDER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 23-3-475, RELATING TO REGISTERING WITH FALSE INFORMATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 23-15-70, RELATING TO VIOLATION OF THE CALL OUT FOR ASSISTANCE OR POSSE COMITATUS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 23-35-150, RELATING TO FIREWORKS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 23-36-170, RELATING TO THE EXPLOSIVES CONTROL ACT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 24-3-410, RELATING TO THE SALE OF PRISON-MADE PRODUCTS ON OPEN MARKET GENERALLY PROHIBITED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-3-420, RELATING TO PRISON INDUSTRIES VIOLATIONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-3-950, RELATING TO PRISON CONTRABAND, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-5-130, RELATING TO LEAVING JAILS UNATTENDED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-7-155, RELATING TO FURNISHING OR POSSESSING CONTRABAND IN JAIL, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-260, RELATING TO FAILURE OF OFFICERS HAVING CHARGE OF INMATE TO ALLOW DEDUCTION IN TIME OF SERVING SENTENCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-410, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL ESCAPE OR POSSESSING TOOLS OR WEAPONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-430, RELATING TO RIOTING OR INCITING TO RIOT BY AN INMATE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 24-13-460, RELATING TO FURNISHING PRISONERS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OR NARCOTIC DRUGS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 27-3-30, RELATING TO PUNISHMENT OF PARTIES TO FRAUDULENT CONVEYANCES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 29-1-30, RELATING TO THE WILFUL SALE OF PROPERTY ON WHICH A LIEN EXISTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 29-7-20, RELATING TO FAILURE TO PAY LABORERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 33-45-170, RELATING TO MEMBERSHIP IN COTTON COOPERATIVES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 34-3-10, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL USE OF THE WORD "BANK" OR "BANKING," SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 34-3-80, RELATING TO CRIMINAL LIABILITY OF BANK OFFICIALS FURNISHING FALSE CERTIFICATES TO THE COMPTROLLER GENERAL, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 34-11-30, RELATING TO RECEIPT OF DEPOSITS OR TRUSTS AFTER KNOWLEDGE OF INSOLVENCY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 34-11-90, RELATING TO FRAUDULENT CHECKS, SO AS TO AMEND THE JURISDICTION OF MAGISTRATES COURT AND TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 36-9-410, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL SALE OR DISPOSAL OF PERSONAL PROPERTY SUBJECT TO SECURITY INTEREST, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 38-2-30, RELATING TO INSURANCE AND ACTING WITHOUT A LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 38-55-170, RELATING TO PRESENTING FALSE CLAIMS FOR PAYMENT, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 39-1-20, RELATING TO MAKING INTENTIONALLY UNTRUE STATEMENTS IN ADVERTISING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-1-80, RELATING TO INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE AND SAFETY PROFESSIONALS' CERTIFICATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-15-10, RELATING TO MANUFACTURERS' USE OF MARKED BEER, SODA WATER, OR MINERAL WATER CONTAINERS OF OTHERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-15-15, RELATING TO REQUIREMENTS FOR LABELING PRODUCTS AS "PEAT", SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-15-480, RELATING TO UNAUTHORIZED POSSESSION OF MARKED OR BRANDED CONTAINERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-15-750, RELATING TO DESTRUCTION OF BRAND OR REMOVAL OR TRANSFER OF TIMBER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-19-510, RELATING TO FRAUD IN SALE OF LEAF TOBACCO, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-33-1320, RELATING TO BUTTERFAT CONTENT AND WEIGHT OF MILK, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 39-33-1540, RELATING TO UNAUTHORIZED USE OF STAMPED BOTTLES OF OTHER DEALERS IN MILK IN THE SAME COUNTY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-41-160, RELATING TO FRAUDULENT VIOLATION OF PETROLEUM REQUIREMENTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-41-360, RELATING TO THE SALE OF LUBRICATING OILS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 39-51-120, RELATING TO ANTIFREEZE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-2-590, RELATING TO REGULATION OF ACCOUNTING PRACTITIONERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-8-190, RELATING TO THE PERPETUAL CARE CEMETERY ACT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-36-30, RELATING TO OCCUPATIONAL THERAPISTS PRACTICING WHILE LICENSE SUSPENDED OR REVOKED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-41-710, RELATING TO A RETAILER'S RECORD OF STOLEN PROPERTY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-51-220, RELATING TO PODIATRY OR CHIROPODY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-56-200, RELATING TO FIRE CODES AND REGULATIONS ADOPTED BY THE STATE FIRE MARSHAL, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-59-30, RELATING TO RESIDENTIAL SPECIALTY CONTRACTING LICENSE REQUIREMENTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-69-200, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL PRACTICE OR FILING FALSE INFORMATION TO OBTAIN A VETERINARY LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 40-82-200, RELATING TO OBTAINING A LICENSE TO DO BUSINESS IN LIQUID PETROLEUM GAS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 41-1-20, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST UNION MEMBERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 41-1-60, RELATING TO TRANSACTIONS BETWEEN CARRIERS OR SHIPPERS AND LABOR ORGANIZATIONS PROHIBITED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 41-3-140, RELATING TO IMPEDING THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, LICENSING AND REGULATION IN PERFORMANCE OF HIS DUTIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 41-7-80, RELATING TO RIGHT TO WORK, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 42-5-45, RELATING TO PENALTY FOR FAILURE OF EMPLOYERS TO SECURE PAYMENTS OF COMPENSATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 42-5-240, RELATING TO ACTING AS AN INSURANCE AGENT WHILE SUSPENDED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 44-1-150, RELATING TO THE VIOLATION OF RULES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 44-1-151, RELATING TO VIOLATIONS INVOLVING SHELLFISH, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 44-23-1080, RELATING TO PATIENTS AND PRISONERS DENIED ACCESS TO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, FIREARMS, DANGEROUS WEAPONS, AND CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 44-52-165, RELATING TO PATIENTS RECEIVING ADDICTION SERVICES PROHIBITED FROM POSSESSING ALCOHOL, FIREARMS, WEAPONS, OR DRUGS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 44-53-370, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL POSSESSION, MANUFACTURE, AND TRAFFICKING OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES, SO AS TO AMEND THE PENALTIES, WEIGHT PRESUMPTIONS, AND ELIMINATE MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES; TO AMEND SECTION 44-53-375, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL POSSESSION, MANUFACTURE, AND TRAFFICKING OF METHAMPHETAMINE, COCAINE BASE, OR OTHER CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES, SO AS TO AMEND THE PENALTIES, WEIGHT PRESUMPTIONS, AND ELIMINATE MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES; TO AMEND SECTION 44-55-700, RELATING TO SEPTIC TANK INSTALLATIONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 44-61-70, RELATING TO EMERGENCY SERVICES AND HINDERING AN AGENT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 45-2-40, RELATING TO VIOLATIONS COMMITTED BY A PERSON ON PREMISES OR PROPERTY OF A LODGING ESTABLISHMENT, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 45-3-20, RELATING TO OBSTRUCTION OF HOTEL AND RESTAURANT INSPECTIONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 45-9-90, RELATING TO THE VIOLATION OF THE RIGHT TO EQUAL ENJOYMENT OF AND PRIVILEGES TO PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 46-1-20, RELATING TO STEALING CROPS FROM THE FIELD, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 46-1-40, RELATING TO STEALING TOBACCO PLANTS FROM BEDS, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 46-1-60, RELATING TO MAKING AWAY WITH OR DISPOSING OF PRODUCE BEFORE PAYING, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 46-1-70, RELATING TO FACTORS OR COMMISSION MERCHANTS FAILING TO ACCOUNT FOR PRODUCE, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 46-9-80, RELATING TO INTERFERING WITH THE AGRICULTURE COMMISSION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 46-9-90, RELATING TO THE STATE CROP PEST COMMISSION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 46-17-400, RELATING TO AGRICULTURAL COMMODITIES MARKETING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 46-29-20, RELATING TO FRAUDULENT PACKING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-1-40, RELATING TO ILL-TREATMENT OF ANIMALS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-1-60, RELATING TO CUTTING MUSCLES OF TAILS OF HORSES, ASSES, AND MULES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-3-530, RELATING TO STEALING OR KILLING AN IDENTIFIABLE DOG, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-3-630, RELATING TO TEASING, MALTREATING, AND INJURING POLICE DOGS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-3-950, RELATING TO UNAUTHORIZED CONTROL OVER GUIDE DOGS OR SERVICE ANIMALS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-7-160, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL RESCUING OF AN ANIMAL FROM CUSTODY OF A PERSON IMPOUNDING IT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-9-410, RELATING TO LIVESTOCK BRANDING OR EARMARKING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 47-13-70, RELATING TO SELLING FLESH OF DISEASED OR INJURED ANIMALS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 48-23-265, RELATING TO PAYMENT TO A LANDOWNER FOR FOREST PRODUCTS PURCHASED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 48-43-550, RELATING TO REMOVAL OF DISCHARGES OF POLLUTANTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 49-1-50, RELATING TO SALE OR PURCHASE OF DRIFTED LUMBER OR TIMBER, SO AS TO REVISE THE PENALTIES; TO AMEND SECTION 50-1-85, RELATING TO THE USE OF FIREARMS OR ARCHERY TACKLE IN A CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT MANNER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 50-1-125, RELATING TO TRAFFICKING IN WILDLIFE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 50-1-130, RELATING TO FISH, GAME, AND WATERCRAFT VIOLATIONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-5-730, RELATING TO TRAWLING NEAR A PUBLIC FISHING PIER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-5-2535, RELATING TO THE MARINE RESOURCES ACT, ENGAGING IN PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES WHILE UNDER SUSPENSION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-100, RELATING TO ENCLOSURES IMPEDING FREE RANGE OF DEER BEING HUNTED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-730, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL HUNTING, SHOOTING, OR KILLING OF DEER FROM A WATER CONVEYANCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-810, RELATING TO GAME BIRDS FOR WHICH NO SPECIFIC OPEN SEASON IS DESIGNATED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-852, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL MOLESTATION OR KILLING OF BIRDS OF PREY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-1105, RELATING TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES TO DECLARE CLOSED SEASON, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-1110, RELATING TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES TO CLOSE OR SHORTEN OPEN SEASON, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-1340, RELATING TO RESPONSIBILITY OF A MANAGER, OWNER, OR LICENSEE FOR VIOLATIONS ON A SHOOTING PRESERVE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-1730, RELATING TO THE TRANSPORTING OF GAME BIRDS OR ANIMALS OUT OF STATE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-2210, RELATING TO ABUSE OF WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AREA LAND, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-11-2640, RELATING TO IMPORTING FOXES AND COYOTES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-13-1210, RELATING TO PROHIBITION OF A PERMANENT OBSTRUCTION TO MIGRATION OF FISH, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-13-1410, RELATING TO POLLUTION OF WATERS INJURING FISH AND SHELLFISH, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-13-1420, RELATING TO POISONING WATERS OR PRODUCING ELECTRIC CURRENTS TO CATCH FISH, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-13-1430, RELATING TO CASTING IMPURITIES IN WATERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-13-1630, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL IMPORTING, POSSESSING, OR SELLING OF CERTAIN FISH, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-13-2015, RELATING TO FISH SANCTUARY IN ST. STEPHEN REDIVERSION CANAL, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-18-285, RELATING TO TAMPERING, DAMAGING, VANDALIZING, POISONING, OR STEALING OF AQUACULTURE PRODUCTS OR FACILITIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-19-251, RELATING TO SLADE LAKE FISHING AND RECREATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-19-590, RELATING TO FISHING NEAR THE GREENWOOD POWER PLANT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 50-19-1190, RELATING TO THE SHELLY LAKE FISH SANCTUARY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-21-112, RELATING TO BOATING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 50-21-113, RELATING TO BOATING UNDER THE INFLUENCE RESULTING IN PROPERTY DAMAGE, GREAT BODILY INJURY, OR DEATH, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-21-117, RELATING TO THE OPERATION OF A WATER DEVICE WHILE PRIVILEGES ARE SUSPENDED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 50-23-385, RELATING TO HOUSEBOATS WITH WASTE-HOLDING TANKS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 52-1-40, RELATING TO CIRCUSES, CARNIVALS, AND TRAVELING SHOWS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 52-13-10, RELATING TO THE OPERATION OF DANCE HALLS ON SUNDAY FORBIDDEN, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 52-13-40, RELATING TO DANCE HALLS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 54-11-50, RELATING TO DESTROYING, DAMAGING, OR OBSTRUCTING MONUMENTS OR BUILDINGS OF UNITED STATES COAST SURVEYS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 55-1-40, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL ENTRY OF AIRCRAFT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 55-1-100, RELATING TO OPERATING OR ACTING AS A FLIGHT CREW MEMBER OF AN AIRCRAFT WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL OR DRUGS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 55-13-40, RELATING TO TRESPASSING, PARKING, DRIVING, OR DRAG RACING ON AIRPORT PROPERTY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-1-350, RELATING TO FAILURE TO RETURN A CANCELED OR SUSPENDED DRIVER'S LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-1-440, RELATING TO PENALTIES FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-1-450, RELATING TO PENALTIES FOR UNLAWFUL OPERATION AFTER CONVICTION FOR WHICH SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF A LICENSE IS MANDATORY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-1-460, RELATING TO PENALTIES FOR DRIVING WHILE A LICENSE IS CANCELLED, SUSPENDED OR REVOKED FOR DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-1-2070, RELATING TO DRIVING COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES WITHOUT A VALID LICENSE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-3-1910, RELATING TO FORGERY OF LICENSE PLATES FOR HANDICAPPED PERSONS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-3-1960, RELATING TO TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT PARKING PLACARDS, ILLEGAL DUPLICATION OR FORGERY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-3-5400, RELATING TO THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE SPECIAL LICENSE PLATES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-5-2930, RELATING TO DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-5-2933, RELATING TO DRIVING WITH AN UNLAWFUL ALCOHOL CONCENTRATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-5-2945, RELATING TO FELONY DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 56-9-340, RELATING TO FAILURE TO SURRENDER A LICENSE AND REGISTRATION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-10-240, RELATING TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT UPON LOSS OF INSURANCE, THE INSURED MUST OBTAIN NEW INSURANCE OR SURRENDER REGISTRATION AND PLATES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-10-250, RELATING TO THE UNLAWFUL SELLING OF A VEHICLE WITH A SUSPENDED REGISTRATION TO FAMILY MEMBERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-10-260, RELATING TO A FALSE CERTIFICATE OR FALSE EVIDENCE OF INSURANCE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 56-10-520, RELATING TO OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE WITHOUT PAYING THE UNINSURED MOTOR VEHICLE FEE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 57-7-20, RELATING TO PUTTING FOREIGN SUBSTANCES ON HIGHWAYS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 57-13-110, RELATING TO INJURY TO OR DESTRUCTION OF BRIDGES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 57-17-110, RELATING TO COUNTY APPORTIONMENT OF ROAD FUNDS THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 58-15-840, RELATING TO TAKING OR REMOVING BRASSES, BEARINGS, WASTE, OR PACKING FROM RAILROAD CARS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 58-17-2760, RELATING TO RAILROADS, AND CONNECTING CARRIERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 58-17-4090, RELATING TO OBSTRUCTION OF A RAILROAD, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 58-23-80, RELATING TO MOTOR VEHICLE CARRIERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 58-23-920, RELATING TO INSURANCE REQUIRED OF OWNERS OF MOTOR VEHICLES TRANSPORTING GOODS FOR HIRE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 59-5-130, RELATING TO THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION, MEMBERS PROHIBITED FROM CONTRACTING WITH THE BOARD, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-19-310, RELATING TO EXERCISING THE OFFICE OF A SCHOOL TRUSTEE AFTER TERMINATION OF OFFICE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-25-30, RELATING TO OFFICIALS NOT PERMITTED TO DESIGNATE PLACES FOR TEACHERS TO BOARD OR LIVE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-29-560, RELATING TO SCHOOL DISBURSEMENT OF AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR FUNDS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-31-590, RELATING TO SCHOOL PERSONNEL NOT PERMITTED TO ACT AS AGENTS FOR PUBLISHERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-67-120, RELATING TO THE PROHIBITION OF TAMPERING WITH SCHOOL BUS GOVERNORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-67-210, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL SCHOOL BUS PASSING OF ANOTHER SCHOOL BUS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-67-280, RELATING TO TRANSPORTATION OF PUPILS AND SCHOOL BUSES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-69-260, RELATING TO OFFICIALS PROHIBITED FROM ACQUIRING INTEREST IN CLAIMS OR CONTRACTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-111-180, RELATING TO MISREPRESENTATION OF SCHOLARSHIP ELIGIBILITY, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-116-80, RELATING TO IMPERSONATION OF A CAMPUS POLICE OFFICER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 59-150-250, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL LOTTERY TICKET SALES TO A MINOR OR ACCEPTING A LOTTERY PRIZE WHILE INCARCERATED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 59-152-150, RELATING TO STANDARD FISCAL ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEM DISBURSEMENTS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-2-240, RELATING TO ALCOHOL AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, INTERFERENCE WITH OFFICERS AND ABUSIVE LANGUAGE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-2-250, RELATING TO ALCOHOL AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-20, RELATING TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOL WITHOUT TAXES LEVIED, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-160, RELATING TO DISCOUNT PRICING FOR ON-PREMISES ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-560, RELATING TO BEER, ALE, PORTER, WINE, AND OPERATION WITHOUT A PERMIT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-600, RELATING TO SURRENDER OF BEER OR WINE SALES LICENSES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-610, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL SALES OF BEER AND WINE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-780, RELATING TO PROVISIONS AFFECTING WINE SALES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-4-910, RELATING TO PROVISIONS AFFECTING BEER, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4010, RELATING TO UNLAWFUL MANUFACTURE, POSSESSION, OR SALES OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4025, RELATING TO POSSESSION OF UNLAWFULLY ACQUIRED OR MANUFACTURED ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS IN A VEHICLE, VESSEL, OR AIRCRAFT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4030, RELATING TO TRANSPORTATION OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS IN A VEHICLE FOR HIRE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4040, RELATING TO RENDERING AID IN UNLAWFUL TRANSPORTATION OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4050, RELATING TO PURCHASE FROM UNLICENSED ALCOHOL RETAIL DEALERS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4060, RELATING TO UNLICENSED STORAGE OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS IN A PLACE OF BUSINESS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4100, RELATING TO DISTILLERIES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4110, RELATING TO KNOWINGLY PERMITTING A DISTILLERY ON PREMISES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4120, RELATING TO MATERIALS USED IN THE MANUFACTURE OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4130, RELATING TO PRESENCE AT A DISTILLERY PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE OF GUILT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4140, RELATING TO EMPLOYMENT OF PERSONS UNDER THE AGE OF TWENTY-ONE YEARS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4150, RELATING TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS FROM A VEHICLE, VESSEL, OR AIRCRAFT, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4160, RELATING TO SUNDAY AND CHRISTMAS DAY SALES OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4170, RELATING TO BILLBOARDS ENCOURAGING UNDERAGE DRINKING, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4180, RELATING TO POSSESSION OF A FIREARM OR WEAPON BY SELLERS OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4200, RELATING TO DISPOSSESSION OR ATTEMPTED DISPOSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4550, RELATING TO DISCOUNTING OF PRICES OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUORS, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 61-6-4700, RELATING TO CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC LIQUOR ON PREMISES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR VIOLATIONS; TO AMEND SECTION 61-8-50, RELATING TO CONTEMPT PROCEEDINGS RELATED TO REGULATION OF ALCOHOL SALES, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 63-19-1670, RELATING TO CONTRABAND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; TO AMEND SECTION 63-19-2420, RELATING TO JUVENILES LOITERING IN A BILLIARD ROOM, SO AS TO DELETE THE MINIMUM SENTENCE REQUIRED FOR A VIOLATION; AND BY ADDING ARTICLE 13 TO CHAPTER 22, TITLE 17 SO AS TO ENACT THE "DRUG COURT PROGRAM ACT", TO DIRECT EACH CIRCUIT SOLICITOR TO ESTABLISH A DRUG COURT PROGRAM FOR ADULTS AND JUVENILES, TO PROVIDE CRITERIA FOR THE ELIGIBILITY OF PERSONS CHARGED WITH NONVIOLENT OFFENSES, TO ALLOW EACH CIRCUIT SOLICITOR TO ESTABLISH AN OFFICE OF DRUG COURT PROGRAM COORDINATOR, TO DIRECT THE COMMISSION ON PROSECUTION COORDINATION TO ESTABLISH A STATE OFFICE OF DRUG COURT COORDINATION, TO PROVIDE FOR FEES FOR PARTICIPATION IN A DRUG COURT PROGRAM, TO PROVIDE FOR ANNUAL REPORTS DETAILING THE ACTIVITIES OF DRUG COURT PROGRAMS TO THE COMMISSION ON PROSECUTION COORDINATION, WITH A COPY PROVIDED TO THE SENTENCING REFORM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, AND TO PROVIDE FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF DRUG COURT JUDGES AND THEIR COMPENSATION. Rep. PITTS moved to adjourn debate on the Bill until Wednesday, April 25, which was agreed to.
The following Bill was taken up: S. 918 (Word version) -- Senators Peeler, Malloy, Hembree and M. B. Matthews: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 44-53-110, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO TERMS DEFINED IN THE "NARCOTICS AND CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT", SO AS TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR "TARGETED CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE"; TO AMEND SECTION 44-53-360, RELATING TO PRESCRIPTIONS, SO AS TO REQUIRE THE USE OF ELECTRONIC PRESCRIPTIONS WHEN PRESCRIBING NARCOTIC DRUGS, WITH EXCEPTIONS, AND TO ESTABLISH CERTAIN PRESCRIBING LIMITATIONS; BY ADDING SECTION 44-53-1655 SO AS TO REQUIRE THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL TO PROVIDE PRESCRIPTION REPORTS TO PRACTITIONERS AND TO CONDUCT AUDITS OF THE PRESCRIPTION MONITORING PROGRAM, AND SECTION 44-53-1665 SO AS TO ESTABLISH REPORTING REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEPARTMENT; TO AMEND SECTIONS 44-53-1630, AS AMENDED, 44-53-1640, AS AMENDED, 44-53-1645, 44-53-1650, AND 44-53-1680, AS AMENDED, ALL RELATING TO THE PRESCRIPTION MONITORING PROGRAM, SO AS TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR "TARGETED CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE", TO REQUIRE DISPENSERS TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE PROGRAM AND TO REVIEW PROGRAM DATA BEFORE DISPENSING IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, TO CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PRACTITIONERS TO REVIEW PRESCRIPTION HISTORY BEFORE PRESCRIBING SELECT CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES, TO ALLOW PRACTITIONERS TO OBTAIN PRESCRIPTION REPORTS, AND TO MAKE CONFORMING CHANGES, RESPECTIVELY; AND TO AMEND SECTIONS 40-47-965 AND 40-33-34, BOTH AS AMENDED, RELATING TO PRESCRIPTIVE AUTHORITY OF PHYSICIANS ASSISTANTS AND NURSES, RESPECTIVELY, SO AS TO ADDRESS THE AUTHORITY TO PRESCRIBE NARCOTICS TO CERTAIN PATIENTS.
The Committee on Judiciary proposed the following Amendment No. 1 to S. 918 (COUNCIL\VR\918C005.CC.VR18), which was adopted: "( )(1) Initial opioid prescriptions for acute pain management or postoperative pain management must not exceed a seven-day supply, except when clinically indicated for cancer pain, chronic pain, hospice care, palliative care, major trauma, major surgery, treatment of sickle cell disease, treatment of neonatal abstinence syndrome, or medication-assisted treatment for substance use disorder. Upon any subsequent consultation for the same pain, the practitioner may issue any appropriate renewal, refill, or new opioid prescription. (2) This subsection does not apply to opioid prescriptions issued by a practitioner who orders an opioid prescription to be wholly administered in a hospital, nursing home, hospice facility, or residential care facility. (3) A practitioner who acts in accordance with the limitation on prescriptions as set forth in this subsection is immune from any civil liability or disciplinary action from the practitioner's professional licensing board. (4) As used in this subsection: (A) 'Acute pain' means pain that a practitioner reasonably expects to last for three months or less, whether resulting from disease, accident, intentional trauma, or other cause. The term does not include 'chronic pain' or pain being treated as part of cancer care, chronic care, hospice care, palliative care, major trauma, major surgery, treatment of sickle cell disease, treatment of neonatal abstinence syndrome, or medication-assisted treatment for substance use disorder. (B) 'Chronic pain' means pain that typically lasts for longer than three months or that lasts beyond the time of normal tissue healing. (C) 'Postoperative pain' means acute pain experienced immediately after a surgical procedure.
(D) 'Surgical procedure' means a procedure performed for the purpose of altering the human body by incision or destruction of tissues as part of the practice of medicine such as diagnostic or therapeutic treatment of conditions or disease processes by use of instruments and includes lasers, ultrasound, ionizing, radiation, scalpels, probes, or needles that cause localized alteration or transportation of live human tissue by cutting, burning, vaporizing, freezing, suturing, probing, or manipulating by closed reduction for major dislocations and fractures, or otherwise altering by any mechanical, thermal, light-based, electromagnetic, or chemical means." "Section 44-53-1655. (A) The department shall develop and maintain as part of the prescription monitoring program a system to provide prescription report cards to practitioners to inform the practitioner about certain prescribing trends. The report card must provide, at a minimum: (1) a comparison of the practitioner's number of prescriptions issued per month by therapeutic class code or by specific substances to peer averages by specialty throughout the State; (2) a comparison of the practitioner's number of milligrams prescribed per month by therapeutic class code over by specific substances to peer averages by specialty throughout the State; (3) the total number of patients receiving ninety morphine milligram equivalents (MMEs) or more a day; (4) the total number of patients receiving opioid medications for thirty days or more; (5) the total number of patients receiving opioids and benzodiazepines medications at the same time; (6) the total number of patients issued prescriptions from three or more practitioners; (7) the total number of patients filling prescriptions at three or more pharmacies; (8) the total number of patients with controlled substance prescriptions whose dispensing dates overlap; (9) the total number of patients obtaining refills on their prescriptions more than one week early; and (10) the total number of prescription drug monitoring program queries made by the practitioner and a ratio of the queries to the number of patients or prescriptions issued. The report card also must provide data on the number of practitioners registered against which the comparisons of items (1) and (2) are being made and any other demographic data relating to the pool of practitioners and may include regional or nationwide prescribing comparison data that would be useful to the practitioner. Prescription report cards, data, documents, records, and any other information accessed or compiled in preparing prescription report cards, are confidential and not subject to discovery, subpoena, or introduction into evidence in any civil action, unless confidentiality is waived by the practitioner.
(B) The department shall coordinate with the Board of Medical Examiners and any other appropriate professional boards as part of the development and implementation of a prescription report card program. The department may contract with another agency of the State or with a private vendor, as necessary, to ensure effective operation of the report card program, as provided in Section 44-53-1660, and may apply for public or private grants or other funding to develop, implement, and maintain the program."
"( ) a practitioner in a prescription report card provided to practitioners in accordance with Section 44-53-1655." "Section 44-53-1640. (A) The Department of Health and Environmental Control, Bureau of Drug Control shall establish and maintain a program to monitor the prescribing and dispensing of all Schedule II, III, and IV controlled substances by professionals licensed to prescribe or dispense these substances in this State and the administering of opioid antidotes by first responders in accordance with Section 44-130-60 and in hospital emergency departments or other health care facilities when a supervising physician diagnoses a patient as having experienced an opioid overdose. (B)(1) A dispenser shall submit to drug control, by electronic means, information regarding each prescription dispensed for a controlled substance. The following information must be submitted for each prescription: (a) dispenser DEA registration number; (b) date drug was dispensed; (c) prescription number; (d) whether prescription is new or a refill; (e) NDC code for drug dispensed; (f) quantity dispensed; (g) approximate number of days supplied; (h) patient name; (i) patient address; (j) patient date of birth; (k) prescriber DEA registration number; (l) date prescription issued by prescriber. (2) A dispenser shall submit daily to the department the information required pursuant to subsection (B)(1) in accordance with transmission methods and protocols provided in the latest edition of the 'ASAP Telecommunications Format for Controlled Substances', developed by the American Society for Automation in Pharmacy. (3) Drug control may issue a waiver to a dispenser who is unable to submit prescription information by electronic means. The waiver may permit the dispenser to submit prescription information by paper form or other means if all information required pursuant to subsection (B)(1) is submitted in this alternative format. (C)(1) If a person is administered an opioid antidote in a hospital emergency department or other health care facility and the supervising physician diagnoses the patient as having experienced an opioid overdose, the supervising physician, the supervising physician's authorized delegate, or the institutional pharmacy's pharmacist-in-charge shall report to the department's Bureau of Drug Control, within three business days after a discharge diagnosis of an opioid overdose and administration of an opioid antidote, information regarding the opioid antidote administered for inclusion in the prescription monitoring program. The information submitted must include: (a) date the opioid antidote was administered; (b) dosage of opioid antidote administered and route of administration; and (c) name, address, and date of birth of the person to whom the opioid antidote was administered, if available. (2)(a) After a supervising physician, the supervising physician's authorized delegate, or the institutional pharmacy's pharmacist-in-charge submits the name, address, and date of birth of a person to whom an opioid antidote was administered as required by subsection (A), Drug Control shall verify whether any prescription history of the person appears in the prescription monitoring program and, if prescription history exists, shall document for review by a practitioner or an authorized delegate the date on which the opioid antidote was administered to the person. (b) Drug Control also shall maintain data on the administering of opioid antidotes as required by this section including, but not limited to, the frequency with which opioid antidotes are administered in hospital emergency departments as required pursuant to subsection (A) and other health care facilities by geographic location. (D)(1) A first responder who administers an opioid antidote in accordance with Section 44-130-60 shall report to the department's Bureau of Drug Control information regarding the opioid antidote administered for inclusion in the prescription monitoring program. The information submitted must include: (a) date the opioid antidote was administered; (b) dosage of opioid antidote administered and route of administration; (c) name, address, and date of birth of the person to whom the opioid antidote was administered, if available; and (d) dispenser from which the opioid antidote was obtained. (2) A first responder shall submit the information required pursuant to item (1) electronically to Drug Control within seventy-two hours of administration. (3)(a) If a first responder submits the name, address, and date of birth of a person to whom an opioid antidote was administered, Drug Control shall verify whether any prescription history of the person appears in the prescription monitoring program and, if prescription history exists, shall document for review by a practitioner or an authorized delegate the date on which the opioid antidote was administered to the person.
(b) Drug Control also shall maintain data on the administering of opioid antidotes by first responders including, but not limited to, the frequency with which first responders administer opioid antidotes by geographic location, first responder, and dispenser."
"(A) A practitioner, or the practitioner's authorized delegate, shall review a patient's controlled substance prescription history and history of the administering of an opioid antidote to the patient pursuant to Section 44-53-1640(C) or (D), as maintained in the prescription monitoring program, before the practitioner issues a prescription for a Schedule II controlled substance. If an authorized delegate reviews a patient's controlled substance prescription history and history of the administering of an opioid antidote to the patient as provided in this subsection, the practitioner must consult with the authorized delegate regarding the prescription and opioid antidote administering history before issuing a prescription for a Schedule II controlled substance. The consultation must be documented in the patient's medical record."
Rep. FRY explained the amendment.
Rep. DANING proposed the following Amendment No. 2 to S. 918 (COUNCIL\ZW\918C001.GGS.ZW18), which was ruled out of order: "Section 40-43-120. (A) This act must be known and may be cited as the "Pharmacist Safety Act". (B) A pharmacy shall provide a thirty-minute rest break to pharmacists and pharmacy technicians who are working a twelve-hour shift in the pharmacy, which the pharmacist or pharmacy technician shall take during the shift at a time determined by the pharmacist or pharmacy technician, respectively. During a rest break, the pharmacist or pharmacy technician may not engage in the preparing, compounding, or dispensing of medicine. A rest break may not be taken at the beginning or end of a twelve-hour shift.
(C) The provisions of this section apply notwithstanding another provision of law." / Rep. DANING explained the amendment.
Rep. HENDERSON raised the Point of Order under Rule 9.3 that Amendment No. 2 to S. 918 was not germane to the Bill. The question then recurred to the passage of the Bill. The yeas and nays were taken resulting as follows:
Those who voted in the affirmative are: Alexander Allison Anderson Anthony Arrington Atkinson Atwater Bales Ballentine Bamberg Bannister Bennett Blackwell Bowers Bradley Brawley Brown Bryant Burns Caskey Clary Clemmons Clyburn Cobb-Hunter Cogswell Cole Collins Crawford Crosby Daning Davis Delleney Douglas Duckworth Elliott Erickson
Felder Forrest Forrester Fry Funderburk Gagnon Gilliard Govan Hamilton Hardee Hart Hayes Henderson Henderson-Myers Henegan Herbkersman Hewitt Hiott Hixon Hosey Huggins Jefferson Johnson Jordan King Knight Loftis Long Lowe Lucas Mace Mack Magnuson Martin McCoy McCravy McEachern McGinnis McKnight D. C. Moss V. S. Moss Murphy B. Newton W. Newton Norrell Ott Parks Pendarvis Pitts Pope Putnam Ridgeway M. Rivers S. Rivers Robinson-Simpson Rutherford Sandifer Simrill G. R. Smith Sottile Spires Stringer Tallon Taylor Thayer Thigpen Toole Trantham Weeks West White Whitmire Williams Willis Young Yow
Those who voted in the negative are:
So, the Bill, as amended, was read the second time and ordered to third reading.
The following Bill was taken up: S. 812 (Word version) -- Senator Hembree: A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 33-57-120, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO RAFFLES CONDUCTED BY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS FOR CHARITABLE PURPOSES, SO AS TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF NONCASH PRIZES ALLOWED FOR THESE RAFFLES; AND TO AMEND SECTION 33-57-140, RELATING TO STANDARDS FOR THESE RAFFLES, SO AS TO INCREASE THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE PRICE OF A RAFFLE TICKET PRODUCED BY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS FOR CHARITABLE PURPOSES. Reps. LONG, BURNS, CHUMLEY, LOFTIS, TRANTHAM, TOOLE, G. R. SMITH and MCCRAVY requested debate on the Bill.
The following Bill was taken up: S. 805 (Word version) -- Senators Shealy, Sheheen, Young, McLeod, McElveen, Climer, Jackson, Turner, Davis, Talley, Verdin, Fanning, Nicholson, Gambrell and Rice: A BILL TO AMEND CHAPTER 11, TITLE 63 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCIES, BY ADDING ARTICLE 22, TO CREATE THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHALL BE HEADED BY THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHALL BE COMPRISED OF DEPUTY CHILD ADVOCATES, INVESTIGATORS, AND OTHER STAFF TO BE EMPLOYED AS NECESSARY BY THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE, TO PROVIDE THAT THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT CHILDREN RECEIVE ADEQUATE PROTECTION AND CARE FROM SERVICES OR PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, THE DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL, THE DEPARTMENT OF DISABILITIES AND SPECIAL NEEDS, THE JOHN DE LA HOWE SCHOOL, THE WIL LOU GRAY OPPORTUNITY SCHOOL, AND THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND, TO PROVIDE THAT RECORDS ACQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT ARE CONFIDENTIAL, TO PROVIDE FOR THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT, TO PROVIDE THAT THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE MAY PERFORM AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF A CRITICAL INCIDENT OR REVIEW A COMPLETED CRITICAL INCIDENT INVESTIGATION PERFORMED BY A STATE AGENCY, TO PROVIDE FOR THE PARAMETERS OF AN INVESTIGATION, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY SHALL ESTABLISH A SINGLE, STATEWIDE, TOLL-FREE CHILD ABUSE HOTLINE TO RECEIVE ALL REPORTS OF SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT, AND TO PROVIDE FOR FURTHER PURPOSES AND PUBLICATION OF THE HOTLINE; TO AMEND SECTION 1-3-240(C)(1) OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE REMOVAL OF OFFICERS BY THE GOVERNOR, TO ADD THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE AS A PERSON APPOINTED THAT MAY BE REMOVED BY THE GOVERNOR FOR MALFEASANCE, MISFEASANCE, INCOMPETENCY, ABSENTEEISM, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, MISCONDUCT, PERSISTENT NEGLECT OF DUTY IN OFFICE, OR INCAPACITY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-7-360 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO MANDATORY REPORTING TO THE CORONER, TO PROVIDE THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER OR CORONER SHALL ACCEPT REPORTS FROM PERSONS REQUIRED TO REPORT SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT AND REPORT HIS FINDINGS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-7-370 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REPORTING, TO PROVIDE THAT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER UPON RECEIPT OF A REPORT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHALL REPORT THE INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY'S SINGLE, STATEWIDE, TOLL-FREE CHILD ABUSE HOTLINE IF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE REPORTED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELFARE OF A CHILD; TO AMEND SECTION 63-11-500(A) AND SECTION 63-11-540 OF THE 1976 CODE, BOTH RELATING TO THE CASS ELIAS MCCARTER GUARDIAN AD LITEM PROGRAM, TO PROVIDE THAT THE PROGRAM MUST BE ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-11-700(A) AND SECTION 63-11-730(A) OF THE 1976 CODE, BOTH RELATING TO THE DIVISION FOR REVIEW OF THE FOSTER CARE OF CHILDREN, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DIVISION FOR REVIEW IS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY OF THE FOSTER CARE OF CHILDREN; TO AMEND SECTIONS 63-11-1310, 63-11-1340, 63-11-1360, AND 63-11-1510 OF THE 1976 CODE, ALL RELATING TO THE CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED CHILDREN, TO PROVIDE THAT THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-11-1930(A) OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE STATE CHILD FATALITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, TO ADD THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER; TO AMEND SECTION 59-36-20 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM OF SPECIAL EDUCATION AND SERVICES, TO DELETE ANY REFERENCE TO THE CHILDREN'S CASE RESOLUTION SYSTEM; TO REPEAL ARTICLE 11, CHAPTER 11, TITLE 63 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE CHILDREN'S CASE RESOLUTION SYSTEM; TO DELETE SECTION 1-11-10(A)(8) OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE CHILDREN'S CASE RESOLUTION SYSTEM; AND TO DEFINE NECESSARY TERMS.
Rep. FUNDERBURK proposed the following Amendment No. 1 to S. 805 (COUNCIL\VR\805C001.CC.VR18), which was adopted: (1) Department of Social Services; (2) Department of Mental Health; (3) Department of Juvenile Justice; (4) Department of Health and Environmental Control; (5) Department of Health and Human Services; (6) Department of Disabilities and Special Needs; (7) John de la Howe School; (8) School for the Deaf and Blind; (9) Wil Lou Gray Opportunity School; and
(10) Children's Advocacy Centers. /
Rep. FUNDERBURK explained the amendment. Further proceedings were interrupted by expiration of time on the uncontested Calendar.
Rep. FORREST moved that the House recur to the morning hour, which was agreed to.
Debate was resumed on the following Bill, the pending question being the consideration of the Bill: S. 805 (Word version) -- Senators Shealy, Sheheen, Young, McLeod, McElveen, Climer, Jackson, Turner, Davis, Talley, Verdin, Fanning, Nicholson, Gambrell and Rice: A BILL TO AMEND CHAPTER 11, TITLE 63 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO CHILDREN'S SERVICES AGENCIES, BY ADDING ARTICLE 22, TO CREATE THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHALL BE HEADED BY THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHALL BE COMPRISED OF DEPUTY CHILD ADVOCATES, INVESTIGATORS, AND OTHER STAFF TO BE EMPLOYED AS NECESSARY BY THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE, TO PROVIDE THAT THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT CHILDREN RECEIVE ADEQUATE PROTECTION AND CARE FROM SERVICES OR PROGRAMS OFFERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, THE DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL, THE DEPARTMENT OF DISABILITIES AND SPECIAL NEEDS, THE JOHN DE LA HOWE SCHOOL, THE WIL LOU GRAY OPPORTUNITY SCHOOL, AND THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF AND BLIND, TO PROVIDE THAT RECORDS ACQUIRED BY THE DEPARTMENT ARE CONFIDENTIAL, TO PROVIDE FOR THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT, TO PROVIDE THAT THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE MAY PERFORM AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF A CRITICAL INCIDENT OR REVIEW A COMPLETED CRITICAL INCIDENT INVESTIGATION PERFORMED BY A STATE AGENCY, TO PROVIDE FOR THE PARAMETERS OF AN INVESTIGATION, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY SHALL ESTABLISH A SINGLE, STATEWIDE, TOLL-FREE CHILD ABUSE HOTLINE TO RECEIVE ALL REPORTS OF SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT, AND TO PROVIDE FOR FURTHER PURPOSES AND PUBLICATION OF THE HOTLINE; TO AMEND SECTION 1-3-240(C)(1) OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE REMOVAL OF OFFICERS BY THE GOVERNOR, TO ADD THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE AS A PERSON APPOINTED THAT MAY BE REMOVED BY THE GOVERNOR FOR MALFEASANCE, MISFEASANCE, INCOMPETENCY, ABSENTEEISM, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, MISCONDUCT, PERSISTENT NEGLECT OF DUTY IN OFFICE, OR INCAPACITY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-7-360 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO MANDATORY REPORTING TO THE CORONER, TO PROVIDE THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER OR CORONER SHALL ACCEPT REPORTS FROM PERSONS REQUIRED TO REPORT SUSPECTED CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT AND REPORT HIS FINDINGS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-7-370 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE REPORTING, TO PROVIDE THAT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER UPON RECEIPT OF A REPORT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHALL REPORT THE INFORMATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY'S SINGLE, STATEWIDE, TOLL-FREE CHILD ABUSE HOTLINE IF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE REPORTED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WELFARE OF A CHILD; TO AMEND SECTION 63-11-500(A) AND SECTION 63-11-540 OF THE 1976 CODE, BOTH RELATING TO THE CASS ELIAS MCCARTER GUARDIAN AD LITEM PROGRAM, TO PROVIDE THAT THE PROGRAM MUST BE ADMINISTERED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-11-700(A) AND SECTION 63-11-730(A) OF THE 1976 CODE, BOTH RELATING TO THE DIVISION FOR REVIEW OF THE FOSTER CARE OF CHILDREN, TO PROVIDE THAT THE DIVISION FOR REVIEW IS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY OF THE FOSTER CARE OF CHILDREN; TO AMEND SECTIONS 63-11-1310, 63-11-1340, 63-11-1360, AND 63-11-1510 OF THE 1976 CODE, ALL RELATING TO THE CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED CHILDREN, TO PROVIDE THAT THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY; TO AMEND SECTION 63-11-1930(A) OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE STATE CHILD FATALITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, TO ADD THE STATE CHILD ADVOCATE AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER; TO AMEND SECTION 59-36-20 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE SYSTEM OF SPECIAL EDUCATION AND SERVICES, TO DELETE ANY REFERENCE TO THE CHILDREN'S CASE RESOLUTION SYSTEM; TO REPEAL ARTICLE 11, CHAPTER 11, TITLE 63 OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE CHILDREN'S CASE RESOLUTION SYSTEM; TO DELETE SECTION 1-11-10(A)(8) OF THE 1976 CODE, RELATING TO THE CHILDREN'S CASE RESOLUTION SYSTEM; AND TO DEFINE NECESSARY TERMS. Rep. BANNISTER spoke in favor of the Bill. Rep. FUNDERBURK moved to reconsider the vote whereby Amendment No. 1 was adopted, which was agreed to. Rep. FUNDERBURK moved to table the amendment, which was agreed to. The question then recurred to the passage of the Bill. The yeas and nays were taken resulting as follows:
Those who voted in the affirmative are: Allison Anthony Arrington Atkinson Atwater Ballentine Bamberg Bannister Bennett Bernstein Blackwell Bowers Bradley Brawley Brown Bryant Burns Caskey Chumley Clary Clemmons Clyburn Cogswell Cole Collins Crawford Crosby Daning Davis Delleney Douglas Duckworth Elliott Erickson Felder Forrest Forrester Fry Funderburk Gagnon Govan Hamilton Hayes Henderson Henderson-Myers Henegan Herbkersman Hewitt Hiott Hixon Hosey Huggins Jefferson Johnson Jordan King Kirby Knight Loftis Long Lowe Lucas Mace Mack Magnuson Martin McCoy McCravy McEachern McGinnis McKnight D. C. Moss V. S. Moss Murphy B. Newton W. Newton Norrell Ott Parks Pendarvis Pitts Pope Putnam Ridgeway M. Rivers S. Rivers Robinson-Simpson Sandifer Simrill G. R. Smith Sottile Spires Stavrinakis Stringer Tallon Taylor Thayer Toole Trantham Weeks West Wheeler White Whitmire Williams Willis Yow
Those who voted in the negative are:
So, the Bill was read the second time and ordered to third reading.
My employer, CASA Family Systems, operates a child advocacy center in Orangeburg. In order to avoid a potential appearance of a conflict of interest, I did not vote on S. 805. Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter
The following Bill was taken up: S. 1116 (Word version) -- Senators Timmons and Talley: A BILL TO AMEND ACT 432 OF 1947, AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE GREENVILLE HEALTH SYSTEM, SO AS TO CHANGE THE NAME TO GREENVILLE HEALTH AUTHORITY, AND TO PROVIDE FOR THE FULFILLMENT OF GREENVILLE HEALTH AUTHORITY'S PURPOSE THROUGH THE OPERATION OF FACILITIES AND DELIVERY OF SERVICES BY AGREEMENT WITH NONPROFIT ENTITIES; AND TO RATIFY THE ACTIONS OF THE GREENVILLE HEALTH SYSTEM IN ENTERING INTO THE AMENDED MASTER AFFILIATION AGREEMENT AND THE LEASE AND CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT. Rep. LOFTIS moved to adjourn debate on the Bill until Wednesday, May 2. Rep. BANNISTER moved to table the motion. Rep. LOFTIS demanded the yeas and nays which were taken, resulting as follows:
Those who voted in the affirmative are: Alexander Allison Anthony Arrington Ballentine Bannister Bernstein Bradley Brawley Brown Clary Clyburn Cobb-Hunter Cogswell Collins Crosby Davis Douglas Elliott Forrest Funderburk Hamilton Hart Hayes Henderson Henderson-Myers Henegan Herbkersman Hosey Jefferson King Kirby McCoy McKnight D. C. Moss V. S. Moss Murphy W. Newton Norrell Ott Pendarvis Pope Ridgeway M. Rivers S. Rivers Sandifer Sottile Stavrinakis Tallon Taylor Weeks Wheeler Whitmire Williams
Those who voted in the negative are: Atwater Bennett Blackwell Burns Caskey Chumley Clemmons Cole Crawford Daning Delleney Duckworth Felder Gagnon Hewitt Hiott Huggins Johnson Loftis Long Mace Mack Magnuson Martin McCravy McGinnis B. Newton Parks Pitts Putnam Robinson-Simpson G. R. Smith Spires Stringer Thayer Toole Trantham West White Willis Young
So, the motion to adjourn debate was tabled. Rep. BURNS moved that the House do now adjourn, which was agreed to. Further proceedings were interrupted by adjournment, the pending question being consideration of the Bill.
The following was received:
TO SCREEN CANDIDATES FOR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY BOARD OF TRUSTEES April 24, 2018 The College and University Trustee Screening Commission has screened candidates for Boards of Trustees for the colleges listed below. Pursuant to Section 2-20-400, the Commission found those listed below qualified and nominate them for election. The election will be held May 2, 2018 at 12:00 noon in the House Chamber.
College of Charleston
2nd Congressional District - Seat 3 John H. Busch, Chapin
3rd Congressional District - Seat 5 Shawn M. Holland, Anderson
4th Congressional District - Seat 7 John B. Wood, Jr., Greenville
5th Congressional District - Seat 9 Henry A. Futch, Jr., Rock Hill
6th Congressional District - Seat 11 Demetria Noisette Clemons, 7th Congressional District - Seat 13 Henrietta U. Golding, Myrtle (term expires June 30, 2022) Beach At-large - Seat 15 Randolph R. Lowell, Daniel (term expires June 30, 2022) Island
At-large - Seat 17 Steve Swanson, Mt. Pleasant
Lander University
At-large - Seat 9 Maurice Holloway, Lexington
Lander University (continued)
At-large - Seat 11 John Edwin Craig, Lancaster
At-large - Seat 12 DeWitt Boyd Stone, Jr.,
At-large - Seat 13 Raymond D. Hunt, Sr., Chapin
At-large - Seat 14 Marcia Thrift Hydrick, Seneca
At-large - Seat 15 Donald H. Scott, Greenwood
Medical University of South Carolina
2nd Congressional District - Medical Seat James Lemon, Columbia 4th Congressional District - Lay Seat Thomas L. Stephenson, (term expires June 30, 2022) Greenville 5th Congressional District - Lay Seat Terri R. Barnes, Rock Hill (term expires June 30, 2022) 6th Congressional District - Medical Seat William M. "Mel" Brown, (term expires June 30, 2022) Charleston
7th Congressional District - Lay Seat James A. Battle, Jr.,
South Carolina State University Anthony Lloyd Jenkins, Goose Creek David M. Rubin, Summerville Monica R. Scott, Charleston
2nd Congressional District - Seat 2 Yolanda Dortch, North Hamilton R. Grant, Columbia Travis Johnson, Warrenville
3rd Congressional District - Seat 3 Daniel R. Varat, Piedmont
4th Congressional District - Seat 4 Zandra L. Johnson, Greenville Simpsonville
5th Congressional District - Seat 5 Donnie Shell, Rock Hill
6th Congressional District - Seat 6 Wilbur B. Shuler, Orangeburg
7th Congressional District - Seat 7 Starlee Alexander, Florence
At-large - Seat 8 Doward Keith Harvin, Irma Smith Lowman, Columbia
At-large - Seat 9 Rodney C. Jenkins, Columbia Charleston Rodell Lawrence, Orangeburg Richard D. Leonard, Orangeburg
Leo Richardson, Columbia Columbia
At-large - Seat 11 Rosemounda Peggy Butler, Ronald D. Friday, Blythewood Doris R. Helms, Johns Island
At-large - Seat 12 Dwayne Trevino Buckner, Gene Gartman, Jr., Orangeburg Emory Jackson Hagan, III, Columbia Michael Jeffrey Vinzani, Mt. Pleasant
University of South Carolina
3rd Judicial Circuit C. Dorn Smith III, Lake City 5th Judicial Circuit William C. Hubbard, Columbia (term expires June 30, 2022)
7th Judicial Circuit Toney J. Lister, Spartanburg 9th Judicial Circuit John C. von Lehe, Jr., Mt. Pleasant (term expires June 30, 2022)
11th Judicial Circuit Thad H. Westbrook, Lexington
12th Judicial Circuit C. Edward Floyd, Florence
13th Judicial Circuit Mack I. Whittle, Jr., Greenville The Commission screened the candidates listed below, found them unfavorable and do not nominate them for the respected office.
Lander University
South Carolina State University At-large - Seat 9 Herbert Gadson, Charleston Alexandria Tamila James, Irmo At-large - Seat 10 Enoch K. Beraho, Irmo At-large - Seat 11 Michael A. Addison, Orangeburg
SCREENING COMMISSION FOR COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY BOARDS OF TRUSTEES SCREENINGS
Dates: Monday, February 26, 2018 1101 Pendleton Street Committee Room 209 Columbia, South Carolina Committee Members Present: Chairman Senator Harvey S. Peeler, Jr. Senator Thomas Alexander Senator John L. Scott Senator Danny Verdin Vice-Chairman Representative Bill Whitmire Representative Phyllis Henderson Representative John King Representative Sylleste Davis Also Present: Martha Castro, Staff Julie Price, Staff CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: We have College of Charleston, 1st Congressional District, Seat 1.
We have two candidates for that one. First is Elizabeth Burke of Mount Pleasant. Ms. Burke, for the record, if you would give us your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? As you all know from reading my pamphlet, my paperwork, I am a lawyer; and in classic lawyer fashion, I've prepared an opening statement. But I'm going to take a page out of the gentleman who just went before me and cut it about in half. So I will make a brief statement. This is my first time before the Screening Committee. This is my first time that I've run for a seat on the College of Charleston Board of Trustees, so I will make a statement to give you all a little bit of information about me. I graduated from the College of Charleston in 1994 and have never strayed from my Alma Mater. I served on The Alumni Association Board of Directors for almost 10 years, including serving on the Executive Committee. I had the privilege of serving as the President of the Alumni Association in 2010 and 2011. I've also served on the Honors College Advisory Board, The Friends of the Library Board, and volunteered in numerous other capacities at the College. I'm committed to serving the College, and this is reflected by my volunteerism and Board service. And I believe that this experience, coupled with my professional experience, has prepared me for continuing to serve the College as a Trustee. The College of Charleston, as many of you may know, was founded in 1770, making it the 13th oldest college in the nation. And the oldest municipal college in the country. The College's founders were also members of the General Assembly. The College was chartered by the General Assembly in 1785 and provided 10 acres, spanning from George to Calhoun Street and from Cummings to St. Phillips Street in downtown Charleston. This area is still the heart of our beautiful campus. Most notable for our hearing today, in 1795, the Board of Trustees was also established. The College of Charleston has a long history, and its history is deeply entwined with the State of South Carolina. The College has survived earthquakes, wars, fires and hurricanes over the last 248 years. Throughout her history, the College has survived and thrived. In 2016, the College concluded the most successful philanthropic engagement campaign in the school's history, raising over $138 million. Our goal was 125 million. In 2017, the College was named America's Most Beautiful Campus by Travel and Leisure Magazine. And on Thursday evening, the men's basketball team won the Colonial Athletic Association's Regular Season Title. I know firsthand that the College is on an upward trajectory thanks to the hard work of its staff, administrators, students, alumni and the State Legislature. I'm excited to be a part of the College's continued progress and to celebrate her 250th anniversary in 2020.
Thank you for your time and your service, and I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Staff? Is paperwork in order?
I do have one question. In your personal data questionnaire, Question Number 20, it talks about: Have you filed taxes for the last five years? And you said that -- you answered no. And then you said you filed extensions in 2015 and 2016. Have those been filed now?
I will tell you we paid in all of our estimates that our very conservative CPA provided us. The money is all there. The 2016 has not been filed. 2015 has been filed.
Questions. Mr. King?
The College of Charleston, in my opinion, has one of the lowest minority enrollment rates across the state. What would you do to make sure that minorities are represented on the campus, particularly African-American students? Our African-American students comprise about 7 or 8 percent of the student population. The Tri-County area is made up of almost a third of African-Americans, 26, 27 percent. When I was a student at the College of Charleston in 1990-1994, it was even worse. I think our minority students comprised like 1 or 2 percent of the student body. So we've made some gains on it. We've hovered around 7 or 8 percent, I think, for about the past 10 years. I do know that -- and since President McConnell took over the College of Charleston, things have been put into place to help alleviate that. We have a Vice President for Diversity now. I met with him. He's doing great things to not only help the admissions office, support the admissions office and attracting minority students, but also once they make it to campus, retain those students. One program that the admissions office is working on currently is called the Top 10 Percent Program. That program automatically admits students in underserved counties in South Carolina who do well in their studies regardless of their standardized test scores, because a lot of students in the underserved counties don't do well on standardized test scores. And that's not really -- that's not the only indicator of student success in college. You have to look at the whole student. That's what this program does. If you're in the top 10 percent of your class in one of the high schools in those counties, Williamsburg County I know is one of them. I grew up in lower Florence County. I feel an affinity for the Kingstree area, growing up in Lake City. Hopefully, we can increase the number of children and students who come from the Pee Dee Region, which is a little bit outside the top 10 percent. It includes Charleston, Dorchester, and Berkeley. I can't think of all the counties.
But that is an excellent program that's been put in place to attract not just quality, talented, smart minority students from South Carolina, but good smart students from those underserved counties whether they are African-American or white. But I think it will go a long way toward helping out African-American students.
Good afternoon. You served -- if I'm reading your responses to the questions correctly, you served on several things, including the Alumni Board and the Honors College Advisory Board; is that correct? I will tell the Committee in all candor, I had a child in January of 2009, so I had to take some time off then. But, you know, other than that, I was there for all of the meetings of the Alumni Association. I still attend various receptions around campus that honor student scholars. I attend Honors Program social events to support the faculty and students there.
You know, before I became the President of the Alumni Association, I had served on the Alumni Board and on the Executive Committee for about six or seven years. And I don't think you would get to be the President of the Alumni Association if you did not have a track record of showing up and working hard.
So I'm here today before the Committee with full support of my partners and my family. I notice that you said that in-state/out-of-state ratio of no specific number. This has come before our Committee on almost all of our schools. Some of our colleges and universities do a great job attracting in-state. Some of them need to work on it, in my opinion.
Can you give me just a general idea how many in-states you would prefer to see at the College of Charleston? And I know that probably sounds like a waffle when I say there's no precise number formula for what is the right fit for any campus. I will say I do think that the current ratio at the College of Charleston of 70 to 30 is working. That doesn't mean it might change at some point in the future. We may take in more in-state students, we may take in more out-of-state students, but for now it seems to work. I do feel strongly that it would just not be right for an in-state university or college to take in more out-of-state students than in-state students. I think when you do that, you've lost your mission because your mission is to serve the students of South Carolina; and particularly for the College of Charleston, students of the Lowcountry. So you want to have enough out-of-state students to improve the experience of the in-state student. My roommate freshman year College of Charleston is from Grace Point, Michigan. We're still great friends. We could not have been more different. I showed up in pearls; she showed up in Birkenstocks. It was a wonderful experience. I want other students from South Carolina to have that opportunity to meet people from out-of-state and learn about their background and their experiences and make connections all over the country; but, again, you don't want to over serve the out-of-state student.
You also have to keep in mind that out-of-state students pay a lot more in tuition than the in-state students, and it's a revenue stream for in-state colleges, and the College of Charleston's included in that.
Thank you for your willingness to serve.
MR. THOMPSON: Good morning -- afternoon.
MR. THOMPSON: Joseph Francis Thompson, Jr.
MR. THOMPSON: Yes. I know that you've read the personal data that I submitted to each of you, and each of you should have received a letter from me back in early January stating the reasons I'm seeking another term on the Board. During my time on the Board, I've served on six different committees, chaired three committees. I chaired Budget and Finance Committee, the Audit and Governance Committee, and the Governmental Affairs and External Affairs Committee. I've also served on the Facilities Committee, Student Affairs Committee, and the Executive Committee. I'm a 1974 graduate of the College of Charleston and former Vice President of the Alumni Association. I served on the Board for 20 years and I'm seeking a sixth term. I'm a retired higher education administrator and faculty member with 21 years experience, so I have the knowledge, skills and time to continue to contribute to my alma mater.
As one of President McConnell's earliest supporters, I'd like to continue my service on the Board to help advance his agenda, which maintains academic quality, provides more access to South Carolina students, increases African-American student enrollment, finds ways to reduce spending, keeps in-state tuition as low as possible, and looks at academic programs for the future that will fill the needs of our state and region's workforce.
Mr. King. Mr. Thompson, you stated that you've been on the Board for 20 years and you know it's -- if you have sat in on any of the hearings or you heard, my concern has been the number of African-American students that are in our college and university system. Can you tell me what you have done in the last 20 years -- and not what the institution has done -- but what you have done personally to introduce people, minorities, to the College of Charleston?
And then what have you done legislatively as a Board member to help increase the number of African-Americans on campus? Unfortunately, when we found students that applied, other universities would come in and undercut us on the offer. And so we always had trouble filling that quota. And the same is kind of true at the College of Charleston. We don't have a big endowment. So when we do get qualified students, other places are undercutting us and making offers. What I've tried to do -- four years ago, when I was running for re-election, I talked to the Senate Black Caucus and introduced myself. My friend, Senator Pinckney, followed me out of the meeting. And he said, "Promise me that you will do what you can to increase African-American students at the College of Charleston." And I gave him my word. And as a close friend of President McConnell, I've known President McConnell over 40 years. We talk at least once a week. I told him that was my number one priority when he came in, to increase African-American student enrollment as far as I was concerned. There are other little things we could do, too. But that was a big plus for me. That's what I wanted to do. And he and I collaborated during the time he's been President. And by the way, before he came, not much happened. If you go all the way back to 2000, or whatever, it was hanging around 6 percent. The other Presidents tried. For reasons I stated, were unable to drive the number of African-American students up. President McConnell, with my help, and I would sound -- I was a sounding board for other Board Members on these initiatives -- as Mrs. Burke mentioned earlier, we have a 10 Percent Program instituted by President McConnell, which goes to six or seven Lowcountry counties. And if the student is in the top 10 percent of their class, they do not have to take the SAT or ACT. They are automatically committed -- admitted, I'm sorry. We ran into some problems with some faculty who were against that, bending the admission rules at all. But we got that through, and the Board was all for it. We implemented the Crossing the Cistern Program. What that does is for sophomore students and higher, it's a public service funded scholarship that enables students to participate in public service and provides a scholarship for them. We have implemented the One Semester Bridge Program with Trident Tech, which is students with a 2.6 GPA after one semester can transfer to the College. Or they can elect to stay at Trident Tech one or two semesters longer, it's their choice; but they live on campus and they experience all the things that the College of Charleston students do.
Call me MISTER Program, which has been implemented, as you know, and started probably around 2000 or so by Coach Jeff Davis up at Clemson and we have implemented recently at the College of Charleston with my friend, former Representative Floyd Breeland, is heading that up. And currently we have about 17 students -- and we'd like more, but we need some more funding for that. But we're working on that.
But the racial tension there that you find on the campus -- and you're very aware of how there has been some recent activities in the last couple years where things were posted. Can you tell me as a Board Member what have you done to try to bridge those gaps between the students that do have issue with people of, you know, different ethnicities or sexual orientations or whatever? We had a recent incident where some students were inebriated at a party, a recent Halloween party, I believe it was, and dressed up. I'm not even sure -- I believe they dressed up as prisoners or something. I don't remember exactly what they dressed up as, but it was offensive to some students. And we have since established a student board, a governing student board, where they will look at these issues and make recommendations. So the best thing to do is have a student-driven board to try to solve these problems and figure out what we need to do to educate students.
We also -- I know Representative Whitmore's familiar with our book we had four years ago. So we're doing things like that.
We have a very good -- our Chief Diversity Officer, Professor Bernard Harris, doing a wonderful job, extremely energetic. I talked with him on several occasions. He's got some great ideas. And I think we're headed in the right direction. Good afternoon, sir.
Again, on the same role that I've spoken in the past as far as participation, you've been on the Board. Can you give us a feel for your amount of participation in your responsibilities as a member? The past four years I had to miss two meetings in April of 2016 work-related where the Dean asked me to hang around. We had some out-of-town visitors and in case they had any questions.
And in October 2017, I had to miss to attend my mother's funeral.
Welcome, Mr. Thompson. I want to thank you for your Air Force service to our country. We're having a little difficulty. Some faculty don't want any change at all. But President McConnell, thank goodness for him, he has a great relationship with business and industry; and he's moved us in that direction.
We need to continue in that direction and be very careful of the next President we hire and make sure that that direction will continue. If not, we might be in a little trouble. My daughter majored in psychiatry, psychology, whatever, couldn't find a job when she got out. So she had to go back and get her Master's in acupuncture, which wasn't anything she majored in.
Liberal arts is great, but it may not fit the business model we're looking for in the 21st Century. We have made cuts. President McConnell has cut $6 million out of the recurring budget since he's been there. So I think CHE only presents one side of it.
And we're well aware that enrollment is going to decline because people aren't having many children. But we're taking steps to make adjustments. And we have time to do that.
Mr. Thompson, thank you for being with us today and thank you for your service to the College of Charleston and to the State for the last 20 years. I do have a question, given your previous affiliation with MUSC as I believe the Dean of the Dental School. And there seemed to be a really good pipeline, I would say, and a good collaborative effort there between the College of Charleston and MUSC to keep those students in the medical field in the Charleston area. Have you seen that trend continue?
Or I guess what I'm wondering is: What are the current collaborative efforts between MUSC and the College of Charleston in that regard? The dental School College of Charleston was second to Clemson in the amount of admissions we did each year because they were so well prepared in the sciences. In fact, you're talking about the three-year thing in dental school, my very good friend and former lower colleague Dr. Eddie Thomas, who just passed away last year, was one of those three-year people who did his three years in College of Charleston and merged into dental school.
And there's quite a lot of that in the nursing field, too. But a lot more people are starting to offer nursing, also.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, sir. First, we have the 2nd Congressional District, Seat 3, John Busch from Chapin.
Good morning.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I currently serve on the legislative affairs committee, the athletic affairs committee. I chair the information technology committee. I'm a 1985 College of Charleston graduate and have been a member of the board of trustees for 12 years. My priorities to continue to serve would be that I want to continue to be an advocate for equal access for all South Carolinians for education for in-state students. I continue to be a strong advocate for keeping -- pushing costs down and keeping enrollment up for the growth of our endowment. The experience of attending the College of Charleston, I've drawn upon 22 years of service in the military, 12 years of experience with the board of trustees, and higher education through a previous business I owned that served a lot of university researchers. I served in the South Carolina Air National Guards, an F-16 pilot, squadron commander, and instructor pilot. I had many all-expense paid trips to the Middle East courtesy of the United States Air Force, especially in Afghanistan and Iraq and numerous other countries. I'd like to highlight one of my accomplishments as a trustee. Three years ago, I chaired the ad hoc committee that was a diversity review committee put together by President McConnell to review diversity at the College of Charleston and how we can improve. A couple of things that came out of that, one of our recommendations was called the Top 10 Percent program where we would automatically accept any student in the state of South Carolina in the program who graduated in the top 10 percent of their class regardless of their ACT or SAT score. The idea being that this would increase the number of underrepresented students in rural areas. We started by rolling it out two years ago in the Tri-County area around Charleston. We've expanded it now to seven counties. Those counties include: Clarendon, Colleton, Orangeburg, Williamsburg, along with the South Carolina Public Charter School District, Palmetto Scholars Academy. We have had good success with that, and then we're about to evaluate that this next spring to then roll it out to the rest of the state. We're the only college in the state that has such a program, and it helps our goal of equal access for all of South Carolina's higher Ed.
In that program, 170 total students have been committed for the fall of 2018, and almost a third of those applicants are students of color. And if these numbers continue, we plan to roll it out to the rest of the state.
Mr. King.
Mr. Busch, can you tell me what the breakdown of the student body there is? I continue to be an advocate among trustees at our trustee meetings, every single trustee meeting, talking about making it a priority. In our diversity review committee, one of the things that I emphasize is this is something that doesn't just reside in the office of institutional diversity. It needs to reside throughout the campus. And so what we did, we have multiple organizations across campus come talk to us, whether it was the foundation, athletics, different academic affairs, and different programs on campus. And, for example, even IT. What can you do in your particular area to help strengthen diversity at this college? Because colleges and universities are competitive, and a diverse organization is a much more competitive organization. Trying to reinforce that theme for our college hasn't been there.
It hasn't been there in recent years. It started to grow under President Stern in the late '70s -- the mid-'70s, I should say -- and then it waned for a number of years, and now it's coming back.
And you've been on the board for how long? So as an advocate for the community, I would ask that you look into seeing -- figuring out ways to increase the number of African American presence.
The diversity in your staff, faculty and staff, what is it that?
Thank you.
Senator Alexander.
Thank you, sir.
I want to commend you on your service to our country. When were you deployed to the Middle East? Was it more than once?
So, obviously, you've got your priorities in order. What's the desire of the Committee? Motion is favorable. Seconded. Any other discussions? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise you right hand.
Thank you, sir. CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: Next, we have 3rd Congressional District, Seat 5, Shawn Holland from Anderson.
Good morning, sir. Good morning. I want to serve on this board, the College of Charleston Board, because it's a great opportunity. It's an opportunity that allows me to give back. It's an opportunity that will allow me to serve, support, and have a voice for a college that gave me a shot at a college education and a shot at playing Division I baseball. My wife, Emily, she looked at me three years ago and said, "It's time." I said, "It's time for what?" She says, "It's time to give back and get involved." And then I told her I agreed. And I said, "But I want to do it in a fashion of subjects and matters that I am passionate about." Since those three years, I currently sit as the executive chairman at the local YMCA in Anderson, and my wife and I both serve on different committees at our local church, First Presbyterian Church in Anderson. Within the past two years, my wife and I both have been inducted into our high school athletic hall of fame. I'm starting to get involved in my four-year-old son's, Beckett's T-ball teams and the NBL team that he's getting involved in.
And now I sit here in front of you with this opportunity. This opportunity to serve on this board is very appealing to me, and I will see it as a great honor to be a part of.
Mr. Holland, you ran two years ago --
I guess you know my line of questioning. First of all, I would like to sit down with the team and listen and then see what they came across, past efforts. Just by listening to the last few, I understand diversity is a growing issue at the College of Charleston. I look forward to just hearing what kind of programs and council meetings and other things that we can attract diversity for the College of Charleston. I know, you know, as far as students and faculty, it's all about looking for the right person, for the right fit. It's a process. Just like anything, you know, it's developing feeder programs. I'm a baseball guy, so it's kind of like the minors, and it's kind of like in a farm program: you've got it building behind you to take over for the next generation.
I know on campus we have programs, workshops, student engagements, and initiatives in place on campus. So I know we're starting to take notes and be aware of it. And, you know, as I start to grow with the team, I want to kind of be a voice and see how I can help.
But my next question to you is -- I know that this Committee has focused on South Carolinians having a fair shake and a fair chance so then -- students at all of our colleges and universities. As a board member, what will you do to ensure that South Carolinians have first choice at being accepted into the College of Charleston?
Charleston is a beautiful place. It's in Conde Nast Traveler. There's no reason why we couldn't attract any in-state students.
I approached my college coach the next day, advised him and talked to him about it. I winded up getting suspended for about 20 games, you know, and I had to -- I talked to the team. I talked to the coaches. I kept journals. I did weekly studies.
I do know two years later, I was voted as the captain of the baseball team. The largest stream is along the coast, Charleston coming down to Hilton Head. The largest numbers of deaths with the painkillers is in that area among those young people. What would be your thought pattern on those kinds of issues coming to the board when a child needs to be expelled or a child needs to be given a second chance, given the fact that you got a second chance?
It's just that the bad habits of that day were probably beer and alcohol. Talk a little bit about how to handle those kinds of challenges.
You know, as far as, you know, the opioids and drugs, you know, I am so far away from those items, you know. I have to be caught up on it.
Good morning, sir.
And being from the Anderson area and being a graduate, I believe you own your own business there. It's a glass company; is that correct? THE WITNESS: -- going through the third-generation, family business.
Yes, sir.
But how would you balance that?
I've got both sets of grandparents. I've got my wife. And, you know, work-related, you know, I have the capabilities of coming as I need.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
He's a pretty good ballplayer, you think? As good as his dad? Seconded. Discussion? No? We'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, Mr. Holland.
If you would for the record, give us your full name, please, sir. It has been a great privilege and a pleasure. I attended the College of Charleston and graduated in 1983. The contacts and friendships I made there have been invaluable to me throughout my life and throughout my business career. I'm a single dad. I have three children: one who is sophomore at Clemson, one who is a senior in high school, and one is a tenth grader in high school. So this has been a wonderful opportunity for me to give back to this state. I'm a lifelong South Carolinian and a native of Greenville. And I enjoy working with the constituents and the parents of children who are considering the college, and it's been a privilege and a pleasure to serve with the other board members and the staff down there.
I thank you for this opportunity.
Staff, is his paperwork in order? Questions from the Members?
Senator Alexander.
Good morning.
How do we solve that problem? I think we are very quick to add a program but very slow to take anything away, and I think that it's a very good time, basically, to take a look at every line item. And I'm a banker -- you all know that -- so I look at it more from a business perspective probably than some, but I think it's time for us to look at every major, every course offering, every line item and determine what's essential and what is -- from an entrepreneurial standpoint -- profitable.
I don't want to give up our liberal arts roots, but I also want to be wise with the state's money and our money.
What have you seen, if anything, that has changed from the time you got there to now, and what do you suggest for the direction we need to be going in trying to fix some of those concerns? And I think at our office of institutional diversity, Dr. Renard Harris has got so much energy and such a great story to tell. I think that, honestly, we need to almost do a road show. I would like to see our president -- our existing president and our new president spend more time in the South Carolina communities. We're good, I think, at taking trips and doing fundraising and alumni events in markets all over the East Coast. I wish we would do more of them in South Carolina. I'd like to see folks in Anderson and Greenville and Spartanburg, Rock Hill and Columbia and other places.
So I think to the statement that was made earlier about branding -- obviously, I live in the shadow of Death Valley too, and I think Clemson does a wonderful job being visible. And I think it's just rolling up your sleeves and getting out and getting on the road.
In my world, if you make a mistake or misstep, you get a second chance, but you get reprimanded or documented or whatever you call it, and hopefully you don't make the same mistake again.
Thank you so much. I was looking at where you have the biggest weakness. I would say that your biggest weakness is the diversity on your campus. The diversity, for me, is very important, especially with the number of South Carolinians that are -- the diversity that we have in this state is not reflected on your campus.
What have you done as a member of the board to talk about, to legislate as a board member, diversity or to enhance diversity on the campus?
You know, as far as recruiting, I can't say I've done a great job with that, but I will say that I've encouraged and asked for more visits, more exposure in our market, and I think that's key. I think we've got to get our admissions folks in the high schools. I think that we have done a good job in some of the Lowcountry high schools visiting, offering -- I guess the right word would be -- express applications or almost immediate answers and acceptance for qualified students in some of the underserved areas, the minority students. And we've really tried very hard to do that, and I'd like to see us take that initiative statewide, not just in the Lowcountry.
(Representative Davis enters the room.) Thank you, Mr. Wood, for your service, from Greenville County.
I've been waiting to say something, and Senator Scott brought it up about recovery program programs. And I wanted to ask you about your collegiate recovery program and also say thank you because you're the only university in this state that is really doing anything at all to address the issue, and I know y'all started that program in 2016.
It's been a very good partnership with the public and private money raised, and it's something that, obviously, needs more attention and more money, and we are behind it. It's amazing. It really is.
And so I commend you as y'all are continuing to support that and fund it.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Oh. Ms. Davis. Mr. Wood, thank you for your long-time service to the College of Charleston.
I'm an '83 graduate from the College of Charleston, and I was a math major. And so I appreciate your financial perspective and your explanation of how you feel like it could be beneficial to sort of go through the majors and all the programs being offered and basically determine, you know, what the cost-benefit analysis of each program is. If you were to go through that process and were able to save money by going through that process, what would you take and do with that money? Would you put it on other programs or other majors, other courses that you think are more needed?
THE WITNESS: I think what we would do is try to just redeploy those funds and resources to other needs there.
So I think you look -- the computer -- and, of course, they call it the Silicon Harbor now with all the computer activity down there and programming and whatnot. So, I mean, yeah, there's plenty of places to find good uses for it. Is there a second? Seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise you right hand.
Thank you.
Next, 5th Congressional District, Seat 9, Hank Butch --
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I went to the College of Charleston in 1983, graduated in '88. And I dated my wife. My wife actually played in a band called the Blue Dogs. And I actually met my wife on the College of Charleston campus and knew it as soon as I met her -- I said, "That's going to be Ms. Futch." And sure enough, she's still with me today. I have spent the majority of my life entertaining and serving others with my talents as a guitar player, bass player, singer, and for the past 10 years, I have also been a commercial realtor. I have earned my certified commercial investment member designation, CCIM. I would like to say that I think that my experiences in business will certainly help me help the college. I would really like to make a difference. It's an honor. And I'd just like to say my band this past December, we started this anniversary concert, and we brought in the MUSC Shawn Jenkins Children's Hospital as the benefactor for monies raised. And last December we raised $180,000 for MUSC's Children Center, specifically for pediatric oncology research. You know, we've -- the total over the last four years, we've raised in excess of 400,000. So I'm very proud of that.
So I've been putting on fundraisers for as long as I remember, and I think I may be able to help the college out with its fundraising abilities, hopefully, moving forward, and I'm very excited. Thank y'all very much for the opportunity.
Staff, is the paperwork in order?
Senator Scott. I'm looking at number 19, as it relates to minor infractions, infractions with the law.
(Chairman Senator Peeler exits the room.)
THE WITNESS: No.
THE WITNESS: I will. I will say that all of the -- well, I will say in 1988, it's true, after graduating from the College of Charleston, a friend of mine and I went on a road trip to California. We thought what a great idea to go down to Tijuana since we were in the area, and it was just a road trip. Coming back into the state, they searched our car and found a very small amount of marijuana. It's something that I am very much ashamed of, something that's obviously still with me to this day. It was very much a mistake on my part, a bad judgment, and I've learned from it now, obviously, with a wife and two kids, aged 11 and 14.
And so I wasn't the best example. Do you have an idea or any thoughts about what's going on on the college campus? Because a large percentage, based on the stats, show that college campuses have a large percent of young people using painkillers, not necessarily for pain but just to get high off of.
Do you want to talk a little bit about what you know about that and what you could bring to the college in working with the program that y'all do already have at the College of Charleston to try to save some of these children? I think it starts with education, and I think it starts with education and support from the college and having programs in place like we do. The whole opioid epidemic, I think, is taking a lot of people.
Also, we're still trying to figure out -- those that know a lot more about the epidemic than me are still trying to figure out the best way to address it. But I'm committed to working with the legislators and the students and the faculty to hopefully, you know, end it, but, you know, it's a very big problem, and it's only getting worse throughout the nation. Charleston is a tough town.
And I promise you I will do whatever in my ability to help raise awareness and hopefully offer some solutions to the problem.
So I would work with everyone to try and better that ratio.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Representative Davis.
I noticed in looking over your application packet that you mentioned the Riley Center. What is that? I'm unfamiliar with that.
I was just interested. I hadn't heard of that. Is there a second? Seconded. All those in favor, do so by raising your right hand.
You are now favorable, and good luck in your candidacy, Mr. Futch. Next Congressional District Seat 5. Frank Gadsden, Clover.
For the record, if you would give us your full name?
A little bit of family history which drives a lot of my love and dedication to the College. My father was a 1950 graduate. I have five siblings. Four of us are graduates. I met my bride at the College of Charleston, followed her home to York County. I am a native of Charleston but went home with her. Both my children and one of my daughters-in-laws are graduates of the College. So it's kind of a family affair for us. We all have a passion for what the College represents.
Mr. King. I guess you know my line of questioning. Can you tell me, being an incumbent and having been there the last 12 years, what have you done to ensure that minorities are represented on campus?
And as you have been there for 12 years, you know that the number may have grown, but it has not grown like people like for it to have grown. Can you tell me what you have done personally and what you plan to do if re-elected? I think a little bit different approach being 200 plus miles from campus, my wife has been an elementary educator for 30 something years. And I've immersed myself. She was an elementary teacher. I immersed myself at that level in mentoring and coaching and participating in any programs that the Clover School District would offer that could help guide underrepresented individuals to make smart choices. I believe we got to start early. But as far as the College, there are so many things that are being done on campus. But for obvious reasons, there has to be more accomplished to increase diversity. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but we have so many programs. And both of the individuals before me have mentioned the things that are in place to try and increase the diversity. I think the top 10 Percent Program is going to pay dividends eventually. It's a relatively new program. We've seen some success with it. And it is for the underrepresented minorities counties in the Lowcountry. So I think we'll see some solid movement there.
Legislatively, I'm not active in the Legislative arena, I'll be honest with you. I try and stay local in everything I do. I pay attention to what you guys are doing, and I'm in support of anything that you do that will increase the opportunity for minorities.
Good afternoon, sir.
It saddens me that he will be leaving us shortly, but I think it's incumbent upon the Board to ensure that we bring somebody similar to him and his beliefs and his dedication to the people of South Carolina.
I know you said in your comments that you keep things local and not involved in things. But I also notice there that you talk about the amount of -- one of the greatest challenges is the lack of -- or having to attract students is lack of scholarship funds. So is that something you all are doing throughout the state is trying, like in the Clover community and other communities, are you all trying to generate contributions toward an endowment to help with the scholarships?
Scholarship money has been a challenge for the College. We've grown only recently. So we're just getting into the realm to where we have a large enough alumni group that can start giving in that nature. We made tremendous headway in the last 12 years.
I noticed you said your biggest weakness is landlocked. Well, what you going to do?
We just put our first Graduate Program in place up there -- Undergraduate Program in place. We need to grow that facility. We need to grow the enrollment. It's in North Charleston, so it's much easier for people in Berkeley, Dorchester and those areas to come down.
How many students are at the College now? Take it to a vote. All those in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, sir. Have a safe trip back to God's country.
(Laughter) How do you do, ma'am?
Just get comfortable.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
My father was in the hospital for seven days, so that's what -- he had the flu. I don't have the flu, but I caught something while we were there. I've always admired the beauty and the mystique of the College of Charleston campus. As a student attending Bishop England High School in the early '70s, I walked along the Cistern waiting for the day to attend classes in Randolph Hall and walk across the Cistern. I graduated from the College of Charleston in 1975. It gave me a solid foundation to excel in graduate school at The Citadel, completing a master's degree in counseling, and continuing my studies at American University. My career in public education on the secondary level is a testament to the quality of education received at the College of Charleston. I enjoy utilizing my experience in student personnel and academy affairs. I also serve on alumni affairs in the executive committee. I want to continue serving on the board of trustees because the next four years will be monumental in the history of the college. It is my desire to be an instrumental part of the college's 250-year celebration in 2020. I've been a student administrator and parent at the College of Charleston. I sincerely believe my experience and exposure to various avenues at the College of Charleston enables me to assess and make decisions with a perspective few people will have. I want to continue to give back to the college that has given so much to me.
Thank you.
Staff, is the paperwork in order? Mr. King.
(Senator Scott and Senator Verdin enter the room.) Ms. Clemons, thank you for your service.
And I failed to ask the others, but I'm really interested in South Carolina students attending South Carolina colleges.
And before you answer that, can you tell me also what you find as an African American person on the board as your challenge to increase the number of African Americans on the campus?
So I think that when we have a willingness to say we have a program and that program is to attract more students of color, then if we do not reach our goal, we should really talk about what is it that we did, or how can we improve that. So I think that's the first part of the question. So what we need to do is we need to make sure that we connect or have a hook with our students at the gatekeeper grade, which is sixth. So working in a middle school here in Columbia, I would tell sixth and seventh and eighth graders, "You're going to the College of Charleston. Your grades are, you know, good enough."
And so once you instill that in a middle school student, then they know when they go on to high school that I'm going to college. So what we want and need to do is to make sure that the College of Charleston is a choice for our underrepresented students. Questions?
Senator Scott. Thank you, Ms. Clemons, for your willingness to serve.
Believe it or not, I attended -- But I attended the diversity conference that you all started a couple of years ago, and let me share with you what I walked away with. And I really appreciate how when you answered Representative King's question a minute ago, you were very, very careful. You got almost to the point, but you did not hit the point. There is some real issues on the campus of having open discussions, especially with staff, along with administrators and people. And what I saw during that conference, I mean, it just turned my stomach. I left. I saw during that conference the fear. And so my real question, not only to you, but to all of the others who I'm going to talk about on this list of running back and forth, how do y'all plan to fix that so there is a level of comfort that staff -- and I'm talking about African American staff, along with administrators -- are comfortable enough to talk about the real issues? I heard you say a minute ago that students need to be close to their counselors. Students should be able to be open enough to talk to counselors, administrators, and everybody else on that campus as it relates to issues you may have. But you've got a little problem there. There is a real problem having open communication.
I applaud y'all for bringing in some consultants to deal with that, but that still needs to be an ongoing process on that campus until y'all fix that problem. I don't know how many other African Americans are on the board with you. One? Just you? Well, that's another issue. A board of that size needs to have representation in terms of the general population, the populace of South Carolina.
Are you comfortable when these kinds of issues come up, being able to discuss it with your peer group on the board?
There isn't a problem on the board. I mean, I feel very comfortable. I attend -- you know, being the only one in the room --
So what is important is that we not only leave the responsibility of diversity to the office of institutional diversity, but diversity needs to be throughout the entire campus. Questions?
Senator Alexander.
Good morning. Before I ask you the question, I will also acknowledge I appreciate you mentioning the name of former Representative Lucille Whipper, who I had the pleasure of serving and working with in the House and on the Committee.
If you would, your participation, board meetings. I just like to get that out there and make sure that we've got folks that are --
You're right at a hundred percent, thereabouts, on board meetings?
THE WITNESS: And I enjoy going back to programs, you know, various programs, like our SCAMP. I attend numerous programs, but I particularly attend a program like SCAMP, which centers on underrepresented students in the sciences and Nia Rite of Passage. I try to make my membership presence known on campus so that students will know I am here.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. Clemons, you're on the presidential search committee board? So before we go to a search firm and say, This is what we want or what we're looking for in a president, we're going to hold our listening sessions and have those constituent groups tell us what it is that they're looking for as far as what we should be looking for. So we just established those groups.
So talk to me in two months, and I can tell you what the faculty and the staff and the students and our boards have said as far as attributes, characteristics. We're looking for a president who can -- we were hoping our current president would take us to 2020, but now that he's not going to be here, we are looking for a leader that can take us beyond 2020 and take us to places that -- you know, imagine what would the college look like in the next 250 years. Any other questions? What's the desire of the Committee? Motion is favorable. Seconded. We'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, and I hope you get to feeling better.
For the record, if you would give us your full name.
Would you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I have served on the Board for approximately five years, and I have been the Chair of the Audit and Governance Committee as well as served on the Facilities Committee and the Budget Committee. I believe during my five-year tenure, I have been a positive for the College of Charleston, the College of Charleston students. I have actively attended activities as well as, of course, the Board meetings. As some of my fellow Board members will say, I am somewhat of a fiscal conservative in that I have been consistently concerned about the cost of tuition to the students. I have consistently been aware of the fact that each year our tuition rises. We have voted increases each year. I have opposed the increases for I do believe that there are many students in South Carolina who are entitled to education but cannot afford an education. And probably my position on that is simply because I was in that category when I went to the College of Charleston. I had to support myself. So I know how hard it is to pay tuition. And I believe that that is the reason I felt compelled to be on the Board. We at the College of Charleston have unique challenges. This state, as well as the United States, is very fortunate to have an institution such as the College of Charleston. I think this state and each of you realize how unique the College is in many respects. I've heard landlocked, well, we are landlocked. But we are fortunate as to where we are landlocked. The Charleston area certainly is a positive for the College of Charleston. But, yet, because we are landlocked and we are one of -- the 12th oldest school in the nation, we have unique challenges with respect to our facilities. We have many facilities that need upgrade, constant upgrade because of the flooding issues we have and because of the age of our facilities. So on one hand, I am very much of an advocate of no tuition increases; on the other hand, I see the need in many ways of needing additional funds from you for our facilities.
So I continue to be -- to advocate both of those while I serve on the College and in my communications with members of the public. Thank you.
Staff, is paperwork in order?
You all may be familiar with Ms. Golding. She is -- this is her third time in five years on the Board that she's come for a confirmation hearing. She was in the newly formed 7th Congressional District and came, -- two years in a row?
Mr. King.
(Laughter) As you have stated that you're interested in more coming from the state, I'm concerned about Board members who are on boards who are not giving to the institution in which they represent.
So can you tell me what the giving is on the Board? And what you have done yourself? As to the other Board members, I'm proud to say I do not believe there is any member of our Board who does not give. I do not inquire as to the monetary amounts they give. Very simply, I've been practicing law for 40 years, so I can give a little bit more than I gave when I was practicing law 10 and 15 and 20 years. I believe it is a personal responsibility of each Board member to give.
I personally believe that were it not for the College of Charleston and the scholarships I received after my freshman year, I would not have gone to law school. I credit the College of Charleston for my successes in the business world.
And the reason I wanted to ask that question is because where I finished school, Morehouse, which is a private institution, you're not even allowed to be on the Board if you don't give. Just a couple questions. Thank you first for your willingness to serve and your commitment to higher education and the amount of time it takes, really, to be a part of the higher education industry. I've talked with President McConnell. I know he's retiring. Tell me a little bit about the diversity policy that Charleston's trying to put together.
I know you all started trying to put the policy together a couple years ago. And so I'm really not I guess what they would call really pushy in trying to give your policy an opportunity to try to work. But tell me a little bit about what you know about that diversity policy as a member of the Board of Trustees. We are very proud of the programs that have been implemented in the last several years, since President McConnell came to the College of Charleston. He has been our driving force. He has an open door policy. He started the, as you've heard before, the 10 Percent Program, going to the different high schools, seeking the top minorities, trying to entice them to our school because we have so many programs in -- our education, would be wonderful for any college, for any person seeking a college education. We provide also assistance programs. I know I personally was able to recruit a young lady from our Murrells Inlet area. And we had Denny Moore -- excuse me, Denny Mitchell. She was an ombudsman. She was a wonderful, wonderful advocate. And now she has gone to the Charleston County Airport, unfortunately. Our loss, their gain. But I recruited her. And she has been a success at the college. But Denny Moore with the ombudsman program has personally monitored her and provided her guidance. I will say this. We do have certain problems. And I don't mean it in any kind of sense. But my paralegal assistant, she's African-American and she has two daughters, both of which I heavily recruited to the College, both of which are brilliant. But both of which told me they wanted to go to the University of South Carolina. They had that in their mind. One of them, I'm happy to say, Chelsea Evans, is a senior at law school this year and she's the first Black Law Review -- head of the Law Review. So we do have our obstacles in Charleston. I don't know yet how we're getting around them because the larger universities are attracted to a lot of people. But we're trying very hard. We have the Bridge program, which I think is from the tech school to the College of Charleston. And that provides more of a sound educational basis. It doesn't -- you don't go right in to classes at the College of Charleston; it provides you a transition. So we're -- and we have Call Me MISTER Program. But all of this, so much of this is due to President McConnell. And all of you know President McConnell. I was an advocate for him because I believed that when he ran for President of our school, he was needed. He was very much needed.
The persons that were against him now support him, such as the faculty. He's opened doors. We had diversity issues. We had -- I remember one day there was a sit-out against President McConnell led by certain members of our African-American community. They love him now. He's been so wonderful. And he's been, to me, the person that has spearheaded our diversity programs. And I hope we can have another person of that quality and caliber.
Senator Alexander. (Laughter)
But just for the record, I would assume that you're up here at a time -- or since your last review before us, your participation level has been extremely high? Our goal is to have someone selected by October. But we had a faculty meeting last week in which the faculty asked to meet with the search committee. And I attended. I'm not on the search committee. And the question was: What if you don't have a qualified candidate by October?
The answer's very simple: We won't be taking second best. If it takes till January or later of next year, it will take that long. I noticed you said on "Biggest Weakness," the students graduate with huge personal debt. That seems to be a recurring theme for all the schools, probably not just in South Carolina. But it's hard to ask a student to pay tens of thousands of dollars or borrow that in loans and then maybe get a job that only pays 30, $40,000 a year. And that just puts them behind the eight ball for decades, almost. So that's a major concern of mine, too. But other than as you said you've held the line on increases, but reality is: You're going to have to go up sooner or later. I don't know how we address that unless the Senate wants to put in more money for colleges. I guess that's a possibility. (Laughter) Because we didn't. (Laughter) Anyway, that's a concern of mine, too. I notice we had several attorneys running for Board, College of Charleston Board. I just want to let you know that my ancestor was an attorney who wrote the first charter way back in 1770, so I got kind of a vested interest in the school, too.
Thank you for your willingness to serve. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Appreciate your patience and willingness to serve. If you would, sir, raise your right hand to be sworn in.
Do you promise to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
I appreciate the opportunity --
(Chairman Senator Peeler enters the room.)
Staff, is his work okay?
Mr. Lowell, in the question that I asked about your campaign contributions, you gave the name but not the amount. Can you furnish the Committee, I mean, in the next -- well, this week, the amounts that you did? So I've worn this Committee out over several sessions on the matter relating to the proper use of medical marijuana. That's the reason the chairman is digging me.
But no, as it relates to your experience, I couldn't agree more with the exchange you had with the senator from Columbia. I think you're as well prepared, maybe better, than some of the rest of us for the benefit of your family and the student body at the College of Charleston.
Any questions of Mr. Lowell? You've had three years now at the College of Charleston. You came in along with the new president. I don't know how much of what you've been able to gain in terms of knowledge and issues on the campus as we've listened to newcomers, as well as those who have had some tenure on the board.
What do you think some of the real issues are, such as diversity, open communication with staff as well as professors, recruitment, balance, cost as it relates to the cost to go to the college? Talk to me a little bit about some of your experiences that you've had. Their African American enrollment is about 26 percent, which is probably -- I haven't looked, but I would guess that's probably the best in the state. So we had a sidebar, and I said, "Look, I'm on the College of Charleston Board. You're the chancellor for USC Aiken. You guys have a stellar reputation for diversity and diversity recruitment. How did you do it?" And what she told me is exactly what Steve Swanson talked about earlier. She said, "It's all about recruitment of faculty." You recruit minority faculty, you have good faculty, and the students will come. As the chair of the academic affairs committee, one of the things that we've tried to do over the last year and a half to two years is really emphasize targeted recruitment for our faculty positions that are open, to recruit quality and qualified minority faculty members. And I think that probably is the single best way that we're going to be able to increase diversity on campus. It has improved a little bit over the years. John Busch, I think he noted that it had gone from 6 to 8 percent over the last four years, which is certainly moving in the right direction, but it's probably not moving fast enough. One of the other things I saw, Mayor Benjamin's State of the City Address not too long ago when -- you know, as you probably know, one of the things he talked about was an initiative for the city to provide college scholarships to certain underrepresented areas, and I have reached out to Mayor Benjamin, who is a friend, and said, "Look, is there a way for the College of Charleston to be able to partner with you to make this a reality?" And I think doing that, Columbia High School was what we specifically talked about. I think that's the way to increase the diversity and enrollment in the college.
Renard Harris, whose name has been tossed around by some of my fellow trustees, does a great job. I think he will be the key to one of the elements, which you mentioned, which is communication. You know, unless there is a certain degree of trust, then you're not going to be able to have open communications. I think Renard is -- in the programs that he helps oversee and implements and the energy that he brings on campus and his communication skills is going to help us bridge that on campus. As far as your programs overall, John Wood talked a little bit about we need to refocus and take a hard look at what we're doing and what we're not. Representative Davis, you made that point as well, and we're actually in the process right now -- and we should have a conclusion in the next couple of months -- of a program cost study, which will tell us how much it costs to put on and instruct students on a per-credit-hour basis for all of our different programs. And so we're going to take that, take a look at what the caseload is or what the teaching load is for everybody, and probably hit the reset button. And that's probably not going to be a comfortable conversation for some people, but the truth of the matter is 25 percent of the undergraduate enrollment of the College of Charleston is in two majors, and that's business administration and biology. And that's the way the enrollment is moving. It's more towards business.
We have a liberal arts core, and we certainly don't want to lose that. That general education component is a great benefit to folks who want to move over into the sciences and the business. I think it certainly enhances their degree and their prospects after they graduate. So it's trying to find that balancing act.
What has been some of your experience with when you begin to talk to some of the staff and faculty since that's the community that you chair, correct?
What are you picking up from them as it relates to them being open and really talk about the issues that exist on the campus and not being afraid of the chair of the department or the chancellor or somebody else? Because they're not doing their part really coming down on them or they lose their jobs. I think by and large, I have gone around and talked with all of the deans individually and met with some of the department chairs individually and met with individual faculty. All of those have been good conversations. They offer positive comments. They offer criticisms, things that they think we can do better, things they think the board needs to pay attention to. Those kinds of dialogues are good, because in those one-on-one conversations, I can offer them the perspective of a board member, and, you know, here's a different way to look at it. So I think those communications have been very productive. But, you know, the larger the room, the harder it is to have some of those conversations. But, again, I think that comes back to, you know, a trust element and building that trust and relationship to be able to put everybody in the room and say, All right. We're going to have an open dialogue. Here's the issue. We've got to talk. We've got to talk it through, and everybody's got to be at the table. A couple of board meetings ago in October, we did that. We brought in all the deans. We brought in the speaker of the faculty and some other folks, and we all sat around the room and discussed, you know, what's the future of the programming at the college. I mean, where are we? How are we going to make it look? What's that decision matrix look like? How are we going to analyze what programs we want to cut and what programs we want to add and go through that analysis.
My feedback from some of the members of the faculty were positive, but it was the first step. And, you know, the other part of that communication is you can't just have it once. You've got to keep that dialogue ongoing.
You've got a question? Ms. Davis. Thank you for your service in the past and your willingness to continue to serve. I do have a question. I have a senior. Although I graduated from the College of Charleston, I have a senior, my son, at The Citadel majoring in mechanical engineering. And when we first went to the college and talked with the admissions office, they were talking about how they place 100 percent of their engineers in jobs within six months after graduation. And so when you start talking about return on investment from a parent's perspective, you want to know that if you invest "X" amount of money in college, you're going to get "X" amount of dollars in income, you know, in the future. So I'm wondering when you're looking at which programs do you keep, which ones do you replace with something else potentially, is the college looking at or going to be looking at the availability of jobs?
In other words, with all of the industry that we have in the area, the Boeings, the Volvos, the Mercedes, and all of the tech company jobs, I'm wondering is the College of Charleston doing their analysis looking at how many students will actually have jobs upon graduation.
I mean, the marketplace is one of the factors that we have to look at.
The reference to Silicon Harbor, you know, we actually have a great program with our computer sciences division where they actually co-locate employers in downtown Charleston in a building with our students to work on projects together. And that's part of, you know, how you present those job opportunities and, frankly, how you test the market to see what's going to be available and what those needs are going forward.
So, you know, from an elected official's standpoint, that's something that I'm always looking at, is how can we make sure people have jobs and good jobs. So I appreciate your efforts in that regard.
What's the desire of the Committee? Seconded. Discussion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise you right hand.
Thank you, sir. I think your college is in good hands. Hearing none, take it to a vote. All in favor...
(All members raise hands.) Next, At-Large Seat 17, Steve Swanson from Mount Pleasant.
(Representative King and Representative Henderson exit the room.)
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? First of all, I want to thank the Committee for having us all here today. So, first of all, I was a graduate of the College of Charleston in 1989. I was lucky enough to have gotten the full scholarship to the College of Charleston. And so as I look back on it, it was especially positive in that as I graduated, I had no student debt. I think about the students that are graduating today, and I see how much student debt they are often piling up, and it really changes their ability to, you know, buy a house, get married, things like that that the -- the Millennials are definitely in a different situation than I think graduates of my era were in. The College of Charleston itself profoundly changed my life. I met my business partners at the College of Charleston. I started dating my wife while I was at the College of Charleston. And over the years, I hired many of my very best employees from the College of Charleston. My company was Automated Trading Desk, and we sold Automated Trading Desk to Citigroup in 2007, which has given me the ability to work and volunteer in many different areas. Since we sold the company, I've been on many different boards at the college. I was on the foundation board. I am on the honors advisory council. I serve on the business school board of governors. I am on the school of science and mathematics advisory council, and I have co-chaired the comprehensive campaign for the College of Charleston in which we raised $139 million. Over the past two and a half years, I've had the honor of serving on the South Carolina State University Board of Trustees, and I, along with six other individuals, was tasked with going in and trying to change and turn the school around. And, indeed, I think we've done a very good job, with state help, certainly, of having a balanced budget every year since we've been in and increasing enrollment every year since we've been in. So I guess at the end of the day, we've also been able to get our accreditation back on track and reaccredited, which was extremely good to see as well. I also have help set up many different scholarships of the College of Charleston. The Swanson Scholars program, we have had that for six years, and we have had over 50 students as part of that program. I've also invested into the R.I.S.E. scholar program, which is for students that are need-based scholars, and I also was instrumental in helping start the Judge Field scholar program, which was for minority students as well.
I very much look forward to the opportunity to serve as a board of trustee member of the college, and, again, I appreciate the opportunity to be here with you today.
Mr. Scott.
Were you an out-of-state student when you came to the College of Charleston?
You mentioned a couple of things. Your ability to work with South Carolina State College, we appreciate your willingness to do that work. I think if the state hadn't ejected $12 million a long time ago, they never would have found themselves in that kind of situation.
Let's talk about diversity. How long have you been on the board?
First time?
Your experience with South Carolina State and having the opportunity to work around minority students, what do you bring to the College of Charleston as it deals with its dilemma of having only 8 percent minority students now? You've had the opportunity to serve on the board to really understand minority students and what HBCUs actually go through in terms of trying to keep -- So the college at peak percent certainly would be -- of African American students, it needs to be much higher. You know, I would be an advocate of -- I think the biggest thing you can do is have the population of the faculty, of the staff of, you know, even the deans, you know, be more integrated. I think, you know, when an African American student is coming to the College of Charleston, they need to see, you know, faces that look more like themselves. I think that will make an environment that will make it more appealing for them be there.
So I am a big advocate of -- you know, I think we need to recruit faculty aggressively. I think when there are conferences, I think you go to the conference, and, you know, have lunches with -- you know, go after the professors that you want. And I think, you know, to me, it's not rocket science, but it takes effort. So I think, you know, I would push that we make those efforts to try to increase our faculty and staff minority percentages.
The cost of living on a monthly basis in downtown Charleston, what are those kids paying just for a room?
But Charleston definitely is difficult from, you know, just the square footage. You know, every building is increasing in value at an astronomical rate. So...
North Charleston, what is transpiring out there? I guess that's academic. It's more catering to a day student population or --
I think I read something that over 50 percent of the collegiate population today is returning or, you know, isn't traditional, coming straight out of high school anymore. So, you know, this is a trend that the college and all colleges in South Carolina need to focus on.
The context of the student retention and the diversity question about the recruiting, it just occurred to me, well, maybe the non-tuition component is a huge factor for families. You figure you might be able to get an academic scholarship and apply at wherever you so choose as it relates to cost of living, but I haven't considered sending a child there. But it just occurred to me, that would probably be front and center: Where are they going to live, and how are we going to pay for it?
Thank you.
But it was an excellent education and a great school. One of them still lives in Mount Pleasant. Oh, she loves it down there. So I don't have anything but good things to say about the school, except it is awfully tight trying to get around there, and there's nothing you can really do about that. So the police said, You have the right to remain silent. He said, Yes, I just didn't have the ability. And I have that problem sometimes. What's the desire of the Committee? Motion is favorable. Seconded. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, sir, for your willingness to serve on the South Carolina State Board and now on the College of Charleston Board. Chairman, Senators and House members, I'm delighted to be here. I've had the pleasure of serving on the Lander Board now for almost eight years. And it's been a gratifying experience. And I hope to serve one more term.
Also, before I begin, I want to thank the staff folks -- your staff people for being so hospitable and accommodating to me and my being unable to come to the first meeting. Thank you.
I was looking in your paperwork for how long you had been an incumbent. You just said eight years.
(Laughter)
(Laughter)
Mr. Barber?
And then second question is: Can you tell me about your South Carolina residents and their ability to attend the school, and what is the ratio of out-of-state versus South Carolinians that are there and attending the school and graduation rates? I think at present, minority enrollment is around a third, which I think is pretty consistent with the larger area we serve. You know, we have had a heavy draw from the, say, nine counties around Greenwood. But it's pretty consistent with that. I believe our out-of-state enrollment is around 9 percent, something in that neighborhood.
I would suspect a good number of out-of-state folks are people who are outstanding athletes that help our program be a little stronger.
Just for the record, as far as your participation -- and appreciate your willingness to serve, continue to serve. What has your participation rate been as far as for Board meetings and other activities?
Welcome, Mr. Barber. As you probably know, many colleges have been termed "suitcase colleges." I think some years back, an awful lot of people left Lander on the weekend because there didn't seem to be much happening. I think one of the things is to provide a broader, rounder, more gratifying student experience on campus; and we're trying to do that. We have, I think, a couple of extremely successful programs. We got a great nursing program. Continue to educate an awful lot of folks to become educators.
I think as we -- as we inform people and educate people about the success of our alumni, then I think that will allow us to -- will help us to attract other students. I just want to make a statement that my daughter went to college at Charleston and many years ago let me have a day by myself, and I went down to Bowen's Island. I want you to know you added three pounds to me. (Laughter)
But it sure was a good three pounds. Welcome, everyone. I pray that God continues to bless us all. Members, you have an agenda before you. First, we have the Lander University. The first candidate, At-Large Seat 9, Expires 2022, under Tab A, Maurice Holloway from Lexington.
Mr. Holloway, how do you do, sir?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
You can take a seat, get comfortable, and be sure your light is burning green. Senator Peeler, I take great pride and honor in coming before you and this committee to say that I am a past Lander student. I've been on this board since 1988. This institution has grown in a tremendous way. I've seen the growth, but it would be very remiss of me if I didn't come to you and say we appreciate what the state has done in support of Lander as we move forward. I would also say with my graduation, I had four other siblings to graduate from Lander. So I have a vested interest in Lander and its future.
Thank you.
Staff, everything is in order?
SLED came back. The only time the Lander Board had been sued, and you had been named personally in a lawsuit several years ago with the Lander Board, and that's it.
Mr. Whitmire. Thank you, Mr. Holloway, for your willingness to serve for a fine institution. Mr. Taylor tells me every time I see him in the hall, you know, everything that is going on good down at Lander. He does an excellent job for you folks. So I hope you will retain him for a little bit longer. I notice -- you know, talking about being sued, I remember I used to be mayor of a small town in Oconee County. And I had just been elected, and one Saturday morning, my wife says, "The sheriff's department car is coming up." And I'm thinking, All right. I don't think I've hit anybody lately or gotten in trouble.
And I answered the door, and they handed me a subpoena saying I was being sued by somebody, and I didn't even know what they were talking about.
So I can appreciate, you know, what happens when you're really not part of something, you know, but you're part of the larger group that's being sued. So I'm glad that was settled in your favor on that.
So, anyway, thank you. Thank you again for your willingness to serve a fine, fine school.
Hearing none, what's the desire of the Committee?
ALL MEMBERS: Aye. For the record, if you would give us your full name. And the reason I do that in addition for the record is maybe I mispronounce your name.
So if you would give us your full name, ma'am.
And I would like to say thank you all for --
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? My name is Peggy Makins, and I am honored to be here this morning. I thank you all for taking the time out to have us here. It is indeed an honor and a pleasure to serve on the Lander Board of Trustees, something I never thought I would get the opportunity to do or ever thought about doing. So when I was first approached, I was a little afraid, but, you know, you have to be afraid of big footsteps to follow.
(Senator Scott enters the room.)
Staff, how is her paperwork?
And since then, none of her paperwork -- I mean, her paperwork is all in order and nothing has changed.
Mr. Whitmire.
I notice that the tuition has been frozen for the last four years; is that correct? I mean, it's stayed the same the whole time?
So we want to make it affordable for students to attend Lander, and I think we may be the only one who has done that.
And do you happen to know the percentage of in-state versus out-of-state students at Lander?
What's the desire of the Committee? Thank you.
Thank you so much for your willingness to serve. Mr. Craig, if you would, come forward.
Have a seat, make yourself comfortable, and make sure your light's burning green on the microphone. Got it?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Then I had a career, first, in Vietnam -- I was of that generation -- and then got into the foreign service, USAID, for about five years and then gravitated into the foundation business. And my job there was I ran two foundations, really, as a chief operating officer, working particularly on healthcare as a big issue in the U.S. The last foundation I ran, the Commonwealth Fund, I can say somewhat proudly we underwrote a bunch of the research that lies behind Obamacare. It was a contentious issue, but we tried to inform the debate. So that's what my business was. I was particularly involved in management -- that's what I am -- and in managing the endowment. I, fortunately, was able to grow the endowment in both the foundations that I ran for many years. I see I made a mistake in my date on the Commonwealth Fund. I was there 34 years from 1981 to 2014. I don't where I got 1974 as the final year. So that was my career, and at Commonwealth Fund, as I said, I was very much involved in management and running the endowment, but also, programmatically, I focused on getting us really a high-performance institution. That's really what I'm all about. I believe institutions should be high-performing. And I did do a lot of work with minorities and advancing minorities there and improving the scholarship programs. We worked with the National Medical Fellowships Program to set up a large program for medical students at Harvard and other places and then worked on delivery issues, healthcare delivery issues, particularly for underserved populations.
So that's sort of my career in a nutshell. I retired three and a half years ago. I'm back on the farm in South Carolina, which I never left, mentally. I'm still on a number of boards until recently. This year I was on the Davidson College Alumni Council Board, and I served there eight years. And that one really is my current window into education. I'm not an education specialist at all, but I did serve on the Davidson College Alumni Council board and got insights from that on the issues in higher education. I should tell you I have one Lander connection that actually is lifelong. My dad had a cousin who was a major figure in the music department here for something like 30 years, and I think she headed the department for around 15 or so. Roberta Majors was her name. She's now deceased.
So I'd heard about Lander all of my life when I visited her. We were close friends, and I visited her recently until she passed away. She always took me proudly for a tour of what was happening on the Lander campus. So that's my insights on Lander, and that's a nutshell background, probably.
Martha, is the paperwork in order? Lander, along with many other colleges, is dealing with opiate drugs with these kids. Do you want to share some ideas that you may have for something that you can bring to the college that may create a model since you spent that much time working on the Affordable Care Act -- which most folks don't know all the stuff that's part of the Affordable Care Act. They talk about it, but most of them haven't read most of the stuff that's in it.
Any thoughts to dealing with that, the opiate problem we have in those colleges, colleges and universities? We need to take a closer look at what's going on in the college setting and to identify some ways -- and we also have to identify some young people would may be on prescription drugs who we might need -- the college might need to help to get off.
So it's there, and we've got to.
So local institutions ultimately are going to have to, I think, on their own, develop their initiatives. So you have better answers than I do. But I think, first of all, the leadership of the university taking -- this is a real issue, and we're going to just put in programs to deal with it and support those activities.
Tell me your feeling about that as a member of the board of trustees, the things that you will be making recommendations so there is some balance. Of course, everybody wants the best and brightest students. But by the same token, we also want to be able to educate South Carolina students since they get some form of South Carolina funding, whether it's through the lottery or whether it's other funding. Talk a little bit about that as well. As you know, it's a tough market competing for students, and so scholarships are really important. I think it's also, for students, from the students' side, to be sure that campus life is friendly to all groups of people and that they have support, the support that they need and the special needs that they may need. I think that's really important. And Lander, it seems to me, is -- you know, a lot of people go to colleges where they can't necessarily succeed because it's just not a friendly environment. And it strikes me that Lander is doing pretty good on that score. It is a friendly environment. And probably more can be done than I'm aware of.
The faculty is, in some ways, difficult, as I understand it, because it's such a competitive area, and you have to pay to get the best people.
So I think, once again, the answer for all these questions is at the top: the administration, the president. President Cosentino, I know, is very much committed to this issue that we expect to grow our minority faculty and grow it in areas where it can really make a difference.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you, Mr. Craig, for offering your service to Lander and to the state of South Carolina.
What is your take on in-state versus out-of-state student ratio for the institution?
So I think we're now around 9 percent out of state. I think it should be higher. Probably the 30 percent I named is too high because, yes, South Carolina taxpayers, one way or another, are subsidizing, probably, out-of-state students. But I think aiming more for the mid-teens is a good ratio in the short term.
My uncle is Dr. Rucker --
I want to go back to the farm. The Craig Farm Historic Preservation Foundation. Are you open to the public, or what are you presenting there? And we also have a bed and breakfast, which is in a house we had -- it had been in the family -- from downtown that was going to be destroyed to make way for what the world really needed -- this is 20 years ago -- another CVS drugstore. So we moved it to the farm and set it up as a business, a bed and breakfast. So there's a little complex here of historic houses, and I want this to ultimately be a historic house museum setup. So I set this up. At the property, the farm, there's about 400 acres left, and we're gradually putting the land into this foundation and putting easements on it so it can't be developed.
So that's what we're about. We want to preserve this part of Lancaster and also encourage the rest of the community to care about these few surviving structures there are and help educate people on what was farm life like and the history of our county. So that's what it's about.
And incidentally, just so you know, when they did, a survey was taken of former employees, and the illiteracy rate was 60 percent. Can you believe that? So there's a legacy of can't-be-done there, and that's -- frankly, I like to make things happen, so I'm intent on helping Lancaster come back to life. That's what I'm doing with my retirement. Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye. The ayes have it. Unanimous.
Thank you for your willingness to serve.
If you would give you guess your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I'm honored to be here today. I've served one term on the board of trustees. I'm in a three-way race this time, but I've enjoyed my first session.
I think in answering my first written question, you can kind of see my background. I'm the first family member in a hundred years to serve on the board. My grandfather was the last, about 1904. And it's a great honor, and I'd be glad to entertain your questions.
Any questions or comments? Oh, he's from Clemson. I'm sorry. Disregard that question. You're good with me.
Disregard that question. Strike it.
It's been my experience, though -- and I had some experience in this. I chaired a search committee for a provost for Lander a few years ago, and I've done some of that sort of thing at Clemson. Really good candidates from a diversity perspective are really expressive people, and our salaries are not what they ought to be. And every year we lose good people, white and black and others, generally through salaries that are 10- or $20,000 higher and out of state pretty much, because the other comprehensive universities have about the same salary scale that we have. It's hard.
So if you continue to adopt that process, you'll find that folks who have been with your institution, if you're promoting them and getting them trained and retrained, of course -- and you understand about degrees.
How important it is to get your folks trained and retrained, I'm pretty sure you would be able to keep a lot of that -- He was in this country on a visiting visa, and Larry was very determined to bring in some black faculty at that point. This was late 1973 or '4, and he actually had to go to the immigration folks and explain why he could not fill that job in South Carolina within the United States. And he certainly had a good argument for it, and it worked.
We were early into this, and Lander has been at the 30 or better percent level for years. So I think you're right. We're training some folks who are going to be willing to come back and possibly work for a little less, and they may because it's their alma mater.
Ms. Davis.
Mr. Stone, I see that your great-grandfather founded Lander; is that correct? And so the Methodist appointment process, it proceeded to where all of the churches had been pretty much filled, and at the last minute they sent him to Williamston, which was a small, struggling -- well, small and new. I won't say struggling, but a small, new Methodist church that was used to hiring single young men as preachers because it didn't cost much, and here he comes into town with seven kids and a wife. And so they made a deal for the then-vacant resort hotel at the Mineral Springs Park, that they wouldn't pay them anything, but they would rent the hotel, and he could start a girls' school. So that's how it all started, Williamston Female College. It stayed there from '72 to 1904, and then outgrew its facilities. And Greenwood had just tried to get Columbia College to move to Greenwood, and that failed. So they were hungry, and they talked Williamston College into moving to Greenwood. And then Samuel Lander came down in the spring of '04 to lay the cornerstone and then died before the fall of '04 when the college moved. So the college was renamed for him. So he did not start Lander in Greenwood. He started a Methodist school for girls. And it was right by the railroad tracks, and he recruited, mostly through the church, young women from all across the state of South Carolina. He would take the train to Columbia on a certain date and parents could either bring or send by rail their children to Columbia, and he would meet them here and go with them to Williamston on the train. That's the kind of personal things that we like to think we still do.
It's a long story. I'm kind of the -- because of the family connections, I have kind of become the college historian. I'm sorry to bore you.
That's all I have.
What's the desire of the Committee? Seconded. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you for serving.
Next, Raymond Hunt, Sr. I've been fortunate to be on this board since 1998. I have enjoyed my time on the board. I have served in pretty much every capacity from chairman of the board to most committee chairs.
I'd like to continue to serve the university and the state. And the path that we're currently heading, I feel that we're in the right direction and we're bucking some of national trends, and I'd like to see it finish up.
In his SLED report, you will notice in 2004 and 2006, he was a defendant in his role on the Lander board, probably like Mr. Holloway, in a federal job discrimination suit.
Mr. Scott.
Tell me a little bit about that lawsuit. What about that lawsuit?
(Senator Verdin enters the room.)
It's been amazing, the change in diversity that I have seen in the last almost 20 years. We have seen a -- you know, the minority percentage now is close to 33 percent. Faculty and staff, we're at 15 percent, you know, and that being 8 percent of the faculty. And I think we're headed in the right direction.
I know there's been some talk here too about in state and out of state. I feel that our in-state and out-of-state percentages are very good. But now, if South Carolina or Clemson gets pushed down from their out of state to in state, that will decimate the other 30 institutions in the state because that's where our kids come from. Any questions or comment?
What's the desire of the committee? Seconded. We'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, sir. Next, Marcia Hydrick. Ms. Hydrick.
If you would for the record, give us your full name. I am a Lander alumni. I graduated in 1981. And I have almost completed my first term as a board of trustee member. It's been an honor and a privilege to serve in that capacity.
Also, I appreciate your time here today.
Representative Whitmire. Well, Marcia, thank you for the service you have given to Lander. I might tell the Committee that we are very fortunate to have Marcia and her family and their support for many years. They have contributed, you know, not only to the communities at large, but also many churches have benefited from their just willingness to go that extra mile.
So I just want to say, for the record, thank you for what you have done and your entire family. Senator Alexander would echo his remarks, as he's going to be a little bit tardy today. He said he had a function up in the district, but he wanted to be sure and relay to the Committee his support for Ms. Hydrick. Any others? Senator Scott.
(Senator Alexander enters the room.)
Tell me a little bit about what your thoughts are on diversity, especially as it relates to not only the students, but also faculty.
With your new president, he has turned things in a very different direction and a very positive direction, and I feel like his focus along with the board of trustees feel very inclined to want to continue to accomplish the goals that he has laid out for us.
Is there anything from a -- besides money, is there anything from a legislative standpoint -- we understand there is always the need for money, but is there any other way that we can help chart the course that y'all are on? Because y'all are -- you're making tremendous headway.
And I just appreciate the example that your family has had in giving back, and certainly our thoughts and prayers continue to be with you and your family with the recent loss of your dad, and we just appreciate the legacy. You've learned a great education, not only at Lander and your other education, but from your family as well.
And so he was very proud that I have had this opportunity to serve in this capacity.
At the appropriate time, I would move to qualify. Seconded. Any other discussion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you so much.
I just wanted to recognize had I been here, I would have voted affirmative for that qualification. In case you haven't acknowledged our former colleague, Vice President Adam Taylor, I just want to -- I know he's not here for any other reason but work purposes, but that's what he does for Lander. He has poured himself into the institution since he left us here in the General Assembly, and I know our entire home community and the Lander community appreciates him.
In case you hadn't been acknowledged yet, I appreciate it. Thank you, Senator Verdin.
Next, Donald Scott from Greenwood. Thank you for your time and opportunity to be here today. I guess my blood has run gold and blue for many years. I graduated from Lander in 1975. My wife graduated in 1976. I have a daughter and a son who both graduated from Lander, and I was instrumental in having a nephew and three nieces to go there and graduate also.
I've been a big believer in Lander. I have endowed three scholarships for the university there. I have served as past president of the alumni board, and I served as past president and interim president of the foundation board.
He is a new candidate. He ran in 2013 but withdrew. You may remember Bobby Bowers has been on the board since it was a board, right, Adam? I don't know if you know about the FedEx business, but all the Ground, they're all independent contractors. We sold that business, and it was about the time I was retiring, so we were looking for something to get into. So we bought a franchise, ACFN, out of California, in the ATM business.
So I've got Marriott Marquis in Atlanta, the Four Seasons, the CNN Tower, Omni Tower. It's there in the airport and so forth. And as part of that, you have to set up a, you know, corporation to buy into that. So that's my corporation -- or the ATM business.
Senator Scott. Senator Scott: It sounds like Lander is even moving into the area of international businesses and studies. Is there something on the horizon that y'all aren't telling me included in your program? Because I have known Adam Taylor for a long time.
Is there something going on looking forward to -- that we can look for y'all to be more involved in international companies coming in? Economic development?
So I hope I can contribute in all areas in helping Lander grow in those areas.
Hearing none --
You mentioned in your comments to us that new programs are attracting top-notch students. So are y'all coordinating your programs to be consistent with your background and making sure that they're providing opportunities for them to be successful --
Does that answer your question? Seconded. Any other discussion?
Hearing none, we'll take it to vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Now that we're running ahead of time, I always like that if anybody shows up at 10:30 for a 12:30 meeting, I'll tell you to give that man a raise. There are two documents there. One of them shows a map of South Carolina. We have students from all 46 counties represented at Lander. We have 25 different states represented and multiple countries. So it's broken down by county, and then it also shows a number of alums that we have in each county throughout the state.
So I just want to kind of show the impact of Lander that could help you.
And I wanted to mention this to you as well, they voted in December that our tuition, general fees, and housing were frozen as we move forward into next fall. So Lander has heard, and we're doing by action of freezing those fees as we move forward so parents will know what they're expected to pay. I just wanted to share that as well.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have been a real advocate of Lander and its new administration for -- I've made some contributions to the art department because I'm an artist myself. In fact, one of the contributions I made was my daughter. She is currently one of the professors over there. And I look forward to Lander contributing evermore to the success of South Carolina as it grows and becomes more important. I think Lander has got a real potential to be one of the more outstanding academic universities in the -- not just the local region, but nationally as well.
And I thank you for the opportunity today to come before you.
Mr. Shore, you said on your personal data questionnaire you live in Congressional District 14. Do you --
I think it's actually 5.
And so he actually informed me that there would be an opening, and I looked into it and subsequently applied.
Ms. Davis.
Mr. Shore, I am looking over your materials and I see that on your personal data questionnaire, you mentioned a charge at forty years ago.
That's a little alarming to me. I had subsequently sort of an epiphany, you might say, and came to the realization that if I was going to live my life that I would have to do -- change the direction of it. And with the grace of God, I quit drinking completely. I don't even take NyQuil. And it became my thing to work very hard to become what I think is a solid, Christian family man, and I have 6 kids and 12 grandkids who love me, and I love them too. You know, I use my artwork, which I consider -- my abilities artistically, I consider that a gift from God. I thank Him for it every day, and that's been the basis of my life, of my family structure, and my love of artwork. And, of course, that's what my business is.
And the past is the past. I can't change it. I'm not particularly happy about all of it, but that's what it is.
And so, you know, I was fairly heavy back then, and to see, you know, a fat drunk running across an apartment naked was something that didn't sit too well with everyone.
So all of this is embarrassing, but it is what it is. I've contributed fairly heavily to the community. The business that I've started, actually through my artwork, has retailed at about $100 million a year. And because of that, it's given me the wherewithal to accomplish a lot of good. And a lot of that good I look at as payback for these inappropriate, you know, parts of my life, things that I've done that weren't so good. We support some of the children's hospitals, including the Levine Hospital up here in Charlotte. I've given over $160,000 to the Military Families Association. Our foundation does a lot of charitable things, usually anonymously. And so, you know, we're big supporters of the military and of our local law enforcement, and we do that -- and I actually, a lot of the -- several of your colleagues, I've been, you know, honored to support them financially and otherwise, including our governor and some others.
So, yeah, my past is checkered, and that's the way it is. But I've tried to live my life as, like I said, a solid, Christian family man, and I think I've -- personally, I think I've accomplished that.
But I do want to commend you on turning your life around, and you, obviously, have become an outstanding citizen in the York area. And I think you will make an outstanding leader for Lander.
I see that Lander in 2013 honored you with an honorary doctorate. Several years ago, I was honored to give the commencement speech at the 2013 graduating class at Lander. And it was actually one of the real highlights of my life, and it was one of the things, that I had been supporting Lander, and it was just such a delight, you know, to be able to participate in that way. And, of course, I did get an honorary doctorate degree, which makes me an honorary alumni. I gave a speech, and it had more to do, I guess, with a college in their position as not being the end of something, but being the starting line. I have always liked combining all of the elements of academic life with the influence of business because oftentimes it's somewhat lost that the real reason for the endeavor is to -- a matter of preparation. It's preparing you for life. And that was kind of the gist that I was trying to get across then. And I have done that with several of the lectures that I've given, both at Winthrop and at Lander in their art center and their business department.
Thank you for that question.
Tell me a little bit about your thinking as we look at diversity at colleges and universities, not only students, but also faculty as well. And instead of doing -- the balance in Lander looks to me to be a pretty fair representation of our region as far as the -- for example, African American involvement in Lander I think is extremely important. I think it's good to get a -- have a grasp of other cultures, other religions, other, you know, communities within our community to gain a more well-rounded respect, I guess, because college plays into it and becoming more enlightened and that sort of thing.
I think you can only do that with, you know, having direct contact with -- and it helps everyone. It helps every community, interacting, I think. Those companies come in, and their children come and will be in a specific area to go to college or pre-K through 12th grade. For them to understand the importance Kyle Woodson spoke about many, many years ago of how important diversity is, not just necessarily in your own backyard, but having to understand diversity from all across this world.
And it's been a lot. I'm not happy about your past, but your past is your past. I'm looking forward to what your future is. I think you do have some things to offer Lander and offer the students at Lander, even if it's no more than allowing some of them of their opportunity to understand the international world and how this international world actually works. Those who are not traveling abroad, they don't have a clue what's going on out there. And we've done things socially and we've done things businesswise with the people over there. So we've got a wide circle of friends over there. I have spent an awful lot of time in the Orient as well, and you're absolutely right. You know, as South Carolina expands as a place that is attractive for business and it -- and, you know, of course that's happening. You know, we've got so much, you know, coming in. And I think that an understanding of that, you know, while it's delightful to hear that Lander has, you know, 85 percent or so of its graduates actually staying in the state, that also includes people that may come from other areas of the country or other areas of the world, you know, and be prepared by South Carolina for the benefit of South Carolina. And in order to do that effectively, you've got to have an understanding, a tolerance, and so forth, of these other things.
So I appreciate it very much.
What's the desire of the Committee? All in favor, raise your right hand.
Opposed?
Thank you, sir. I appreciate your willingness to serve.
But having voted on the prevailing side on Mr. Shore earlier, I'd like to move that we reconsider the vote whereby we found favorable report on Mr. Shore. So I make that motion at this time.
Now, the next motion we will need is to reopen the at-large Seat 11 on Lander University.
I have Senator Alexander's proxy. So we've got that.
CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: Now for the Medical Next, Medical University of South Carolina, 6th Congressional District, medical seat, William Brown from Charleston.
Good morning, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? First of all, thanks for everyone's time this morning. Thanks because I know that it's hard to get everyone on the same schedule. As an ER doc, I'm inherently familiar with that problem. Anyway, I am a native son of Charleston that recently moved back about three and a half years ago after a 20-year career in the Navy. I have spent 20 years serving the country, and I'm ready to serve my state.
And one of things is when this opportunity came my way, I got very excited about it because, as I briefly mentioned, I'm an emergency room doctor, and I think that's kind of your school of hard knocks when it comes to public health issues. I see a lot of needs, and I would love to have a chance to impact those, and I think this is the perfect opportunity to do so. That's all.
Dr. Brown stepped forward. Questions?
Representative Henderson.
I wanted to just ask you since you are an ER doctor -- I have been working on a bunch of opioid legislation, and Senator Peeler too -- actually his committee meets after this. I just kind of wanted to ask you your experience in the ER, what you are seeing with this problem, what kinds of challenges, what can -- how can we help you all deal with this issue and tackle it? The way it impacts me as an emergency room doctor, it is almost burning and heartbreaking. Every day I see personally two to three people that have overdosed on opioids, more so now than heroin. And you have so many different responsibilities in the emergency departments. Not only are you taking care of people who don't have access to care, but you have your emergencies, and then through it all, you have people who show up and they may or may not be breathing. And if you have three doctors and eight nurses on a shift and someone comes in not breathing, that takes huge resources, at least three nurses trying to resuscitate this person. So you do it. You are successful. You're high-fiving. You're happy you saved that person. But then you come back and check on them again, and the first thing they want to do is get out of that emergency department and get back to what they were doing. It is a heartbreaking problem. And a lot of times, too, when I do come across someone who wants to do better, then I have to go about the business of trying to find them help. And if your resources -- personal resources are limited, that is a huge challenge.
So I am ready to do anything I can to impact some change here, try to make some more things available as far as people wanting to get off of those substances.
SENATOR VERDIN: I would like to inquire of your personal posture towards the use or even application of medical cannabis and how that professional position of yours would affect the ongoing national conversation as relates to development of this matter, and you might even elaborate as to whether you think this is a medical matter or a political matter. The medical aspect of it, there is some provocative research that does show that it can help actually, to the first question, alleviate some people who suffer from chronic pain issues. I also know about the treatment of certain neurologic abnormalities. Again, the research is interesting and provocative, and if we have some bona fide, not sponsored by special interest group research to support it, why not bring this into the lexicon of how to treat certain diseases? Now, I'm an American, grew up an American. Anytime something new comes out on the market like that, there will be a tendency to abuse or overprescribe. I recently visited the state of Colorado for a football game a couple months ago, and I can tell you, walking down the streets of Denver and Boulder, you can see that everyone is enjoying the party about the new laws passed in Colorado. And that makes me a little concerned about what happens as that goes state to state. I would hope that we could make this -- somehow keep this in the hands of responsible prescribers as we consider this, the passing of these laws in our state.
I think as a medical intervention it's a great idea. But that's kind of where I stop because then I feel like -- I'm getting personal. If it's used for something other than those interventions, then we are opening up the gateway for other problems.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Representative King. I guess my question is -- deals with sickle cell. And as I think about sickle cell patients across this state -- and they are identified as drug seekers, especially our adult sickle cell patients. Can you give me your background or your take on sickle cell, and as a board member what will you do to encourage sickle cell education for the medical community, to educate them when it comes to sickle cell and, with the opioid crisis that we are experiencing throughout our country, to ensure and make sure that sickle cell patients are not pigeonholed or identified as drug seekers when they enter the hospital? I was on a committee which would do a registry in South Carolina to identify those persons who suffer with sickle cell, but some of those persons may not be identified.
What would you do as -- or what do you see in your profession, and then what would you do as a board member to encourage the sickle cell education of all new medical personnel? But, also, one of the things you are concerned about, too, is those on my side of the aisle taking care of the patients and our perceptions. Being educated in the state of South Carolina -- I went to MUSC. I think it's hard for you not to get insight into that. But then again, not every doctor here is from there. So we could very easily incorporate that in -- right now we are already getting opioid training on a regular basis for required continuing education. We could very easily incorporate that into that piece of the training or into mental health training because I also feel like -- see a need to also be more targeted to mental health training because I think it falls in both boxes. I have seen sickle cell patients -- I will try to wrap this up, sorry. I have seen sickle cell patients who have been in families who have resources, and I have seen that complying with treatment, complying with care, healthy living can decrease the number of sickle cell pain crises that occur. But I also know that the other side of that is that sickle cell disease tends to happen in families that are -- do not have good resources or access to care or education and things. So there is an opportunity there to educate those patients better on how to take care of themselves to keep them out of the emergency department and so reliant. We can also consider -- and I know everything starts with money, but we can also consider how can we take care of people with these chronic medical conditions from childhood better, what access can we help them have? An example, I know that for mental health, we are considering in our emergency department actually establishing just a mental health ER that has kind of a good access to all the resources and counseling and things like that. Should we consider that in a regional clinic type of setting? I really just think of different ideas. But I think what you are asking and what I support is making sure that we incorporate education. It is also -- you know, in not trying to pigeonhole or stereotype a sickle cell patient, it is also an education in diversity because 98 percent of your patients you're going to see are African-American with sickle cell disease.
I support making that a part of education and training and also being incorporated, as far as MUSC, into the rural medicine curriculum or the urban medicine curriculum. They have a lot of opportunities where we can insert that training, but it is hand and hand with our opioid crisis, and I do recognize that.
And so I'm interested in finding out what do we do for our older members of our community that suffer with sickle cell, you know, across the state. So I would hope that you would help me as we work forward in trying to find out how we help those patients.
So that was one of the things we found out with the study, is that we need to try to find ways to encourage that, because many of the doctors do not understand adult sickle cell. As we take a look at hospitals across South Carolina, we look at the Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, Providence, Orangeburg, you guys will probably end up being hit for rural hospitals. And the opportunity to see and understand all of what's going on in rural communities as you're serving out there, you are serving folk who are not just in the Charleston area but also from the small surrounding areas as well.
What is your approach to rural health care? Probably the number one instrument MUSC will have to work with is telemedicine. There are some telecenters out there working with schools and others and are able to look at young people and cover costs, you know, affordable costs of health care, especially in rural communities. What are some of your ideas on that? Trident Medical Center is one of the main hospitals where I work now, and Trident is kind of at the nexus of the universe at I-26 when it comes to the tri-county areas around Charleston. We see patients as far as Saint George on down to Hampton, South Carolina. First off, one of things I'm really excited about possibly getting involved with on this board is pushing primary care. Primary care is a huge challenge in our country. Not many doctors are going into primary care anymore. It is not very lucrative, and these are physicians who are often going into debt three, four hundred thousand dollars. We need to try to see if we can get creative by getting programs about encouraging students to go into primary care again. Once that happens, then moving to get them to go to the small towns because a lot of the problems I see in small towns is really, again, access and just education about preventive medicine. Telemedicine has been a godsend in ways for small town situations. Back to my example of Waycross. Waycross, Georgia, 65 percent of the medical staff did not live in the county. They were all coming from different places, mostly coastal Georgia. That's just the general surgery, the ER doctors, the internists, OB/GYNs. Now you want them to have access to neurosurgery, psychiatry, things like that. How do you do that when we have a hard enough time getting the basics, and that's where telemedicine has been a great thing.
I know that MUSC is kind of blazing a trail for telemedicine, and that's something we have to make sure we stand behind going forward for the future to make sure people have access to care. It impacts stroke response. It impacts heart attacks and, again, mental health, which is really, I think, the biggest problem we are facing, in general, in our state and our country.
SENATOR ALEXANDER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning.
So is the job of MUSC to encourage people to go into specialties rather than primary care, especially for our rural areas? Hearing none, take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
(Members raise hands.) CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: Let's go ahead and get started. We have lifted the veil and didn't have any votes inside the Executive Session, so we'll open the meeting back up to the College Universities Trustees Screening Commission. Next, South Carolina State University, 1st Congressional District, Seat 1. First candidate, Mr. George Freeman, Mt. Pleasant.
Make yourself comfortable and make sure the green light's burning.
George Allen Freeman.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
But in recent years, how I've heard how things have happened on the campus and it got into a dire state. I thought it was time to put myself in the race since I feel I have the qualifications to make a difference on the campus. And that's my main reason for running, is that I feel I can make a difference on the campus.
What I do want to tell you all in the summaries that I have done, I said there are five in this race. There were five. Mr. Ahearn withdrew on Friday, and I failed to go back in and change it. So there are four people running for this seat. Thank you for offering yourself, Mr. Freeman. Mr. Freeman, being that you are a graduate of South Carolina State and understand the issues that South Carolina have had, what have you done as an alum or in reference to giving back to the college?
And what have you done to try to change the image of South Carolina State just as an alum? I'm currently a member of the Charleston branch alumni. And as a member, we worked as a group, not individually, to try to recruit other students to come to South Carolina State. The other things, as I said, I do my best to advertise the campus as much as possible. I know it's a small thing, but I make sure I have my advertisement on my card. I make sure I purchase a South Carolina State license plate on my car and I have paraphernalia on my car. As you see, I brought my umbrella, because I make sure I advertise the campus as much as I can.
Other than that, I cannot think of anything else that I've done except I'm a member of the South Carolina State Club for I think it's been over 12 years now.
I guess my question is: What have you financially given to the college?
Senator Scott? Mr. Freeman, thank you. Good to see you. I've known Mr. Freeman for many, many years back in the days of college. South Carolina State College finds itself in a very unusual situation, and that is deferred maintenance is probably still some 70, $80 million out in terms of what it has done also to get its cash flow back in. And I'm glad to hear when you talk about student recruitment, that's one of the biggest issues, I think, right now. Roughly 2900 students up on that campus.
Have you visited the campus lately? Do you know what's going on on the campus? Do you understand any of the construction needs it may have? Curriculum changes? Have you been involved in that part of the process outside the Alumni Association? I attended a meeting on campus at the end of the period where we were going through the situation on the campus. And in that meeting, I discovered that we still lack about $20 million of repairs that has to be done on the campus. Even though we are moving ahead and everything, we still have those infrastructure problems on the campus. And that is something that I feel like we really need to do.
My thing is: I'm looking at the fact that -- I would hope that we're already doing it with getting involved inviting more businesses to Orangeburg to try to have some way of bringing more money into the campus so that we can take care of some of these situations. As we recognize the issues that have faced South Carolina State recently in our recent history, I would ask that this Committee really take into consideration the importance of where South Carolina State is now and how they are moving forward. And as we vote today, we need to make the very hard decisions to make sure that we are forwarding names of people who are going to have the best interest of South Carolina State and the mission that the alum as well as the General Assembly has for South Carolina State as we move forward.
I just want to make sure that I made that statement, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. Davis? Thank you for your willingness to serve on South Carolina State Board. It's at a very important point now. And I think as Representative King said, it's going to be important that we get the right people together to move the University forward.
As a member of the Board of Trustees, what would you see as being the most important thing that the Board needs to focus on at this point?
Maybe infrastructure is your answer, I don't know. My main thing would be to see where, as we can, get those buildings back open and up and running so that we don't have students having to go off campus like they have been. Because, unfortunately, we had a good/bad thing in the last year whereas we had students -- enrollments started to increase, but we didn't have the places to put them.
So one of the main things I would be looking at is to try to get those dorms open again so that we would have -- as we bring the students in, that they will be able to stay on the campus instead of having to search for places off campus.
Mr. Whitmire.
And, first of all, I want to thank you for your military service. That's always important to me.
As I remember right, South Carolina State was losing students at an alarming rate; and that was one of their major problems, they didn't have enough money from the students coming in and enrolling, and that was causing a lot of their cash flow problems. My thing is that it's not a one thing that myself personally can do. What I see is we need to have a situation where we have everybody on campus involved in -- the staff all the way to the President of the university and the Board of Trustees. There are some things that we can do, but as I was saying earlier, one of the biggest things is getting the image of the campus up there and getting more alumni to come on board to, as individuals, like I was saying about myself, to promote the campus more. We need -- I am down in the Charleston area. I mentioned this to some of the alumni in the chapter in the Charleston area, there's a number of us in the area; but we don't see any paraphernalia of anything that often of the South Carolina State in the area. I feel we need to do more from the students all the way up. On the staff, I feel that there's been situations where graduates of South Carolina have said some negative things about South Carolina State. And it's been because of the staff at South Carolina State. My thing is that we need to improve the staff at South Carolina State so that they present an image to the students so the students can go back and talk proudly about South Carolina State. We've had incidents where students have had incidents on the campus with staff; and when they graduate, they say negative things about the campus.
I think we need to change that atmosphere on the campus so that when students graduate, the students will be recruiters for the campus, also.
I'm just -- agree with Representative King, it's good to see so many people who are willing to serve to bring it back to its level of promise that it's served. Thank you, sir. Good afternoon.
Is there anything in your work that would preclude you from being able to be active Board member and participate in the activities that would be required?
That's one of the good things about my position right now. I am still an active real estate agent; but most of my time is spent in the nonprofit, trying to raise funds for a community center in Mount Pleasant. So I don't see any way that my attending being on this Board would interfere with my time. All in favor, raise your right hand. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Freeman. Again, my name is Anthony Jenkins. I grew up in the Ladson area, currently reside in Goose Creek, South Carolina. We had the privilege to attend the Citadel in '86 to '90. Graduated. Had the opportunity to go on and further my baseball career and played professional baseball. Upon that, I had the opportunity to go into business for myself, which I am currently am in. I own a financing company. Licensed in 41 states where I provide commercial and residential financing. I finance numerous projects. I think with my experience, my energy, my desire, and my willingness to see South Carolina State succeed, I'm not a person that looks back in the past. I'm the one who looks in the present and the future. I've had some uncles and educators who have taught at South Carolina State. My wife has her Master's from South Carolina State. My wife is a Regional Director for the Department of Social Services in Berkeley County. So, my daughter attends an HBCU, and just seeing the things that have happened in the past at South Carolina State, but as Representative King stated, we can see that South Carolina State is going in a positive direction. I want to continue to see South Carolina State go in a positive direction. As an African-American male, I would like to see more males succeed. And my desire to serve on this Board, to see those things happen.
Again, my experience as we all know from the Citadel teaches you discipline. My experience as disciplinary -- I'm a very disciplined guy. My management skills will definitely be an asset to this Board. I can -- I think my paperwork speaks for myself. Again, I am a very -- guy who really believes in pushing the envelope, pushing to succeed. Scholarship is very important to me, very important to my family.
Again, I want to see South Carolina State succeed.
Questions or comments? Mr. King.
Mr. Jenkins.
Through my church, each year South Carolina State has a Youth Day. My church has participated in that. My family has also participated. When I say my family, my uncles -- and because I have a large amount of family members who have graduated from South Carolina State, I participated financially in South Carolina State. I supported the Charleston local chapter as a non-South Carolina State graduate, but I have supported the Chapter and also through my fraternity we participate also.
(Laughter) First, always my concern and the look back of what we've seen the institution, and I am a graduate of the institution, a look back at what the institution has gone through and looking at candidates who have served on the Board, my question is debt service and where you are financially being able to serve on this Board.
Rather than individual track record indicate there is a pattern or history with individuals being able to make their day-to-day obligations and not end up with debt collections and those kinds of issues. Can you elaborate on that? Because what I'm looking at right now gives me a lot of concerns.
I have been partnership in some businesses, and yes, they've had some issues. And those issues are resolved.
Just for the record, I believe that the questions that the Senator's asking, so that you understand, I know you were here earlier when we asked questions, if it shows up on any of the reporting that we get from staff, we do ask that every candidate that comes before us that may have anything that has not been satisfied, so I just wanted you to know, that was one of the questions I wanted to ask you later. Thank you.
In consistency from the standpoint as far as the work that you do now, is there anything that would preclude you from being an active member of the Board if you became a member of the Board? All in favor of carrying it over, raise your right hand. Thank you.
Mr. Jenkins, I think we have got some questions about some things that need some clearing up. I'm quite sure you can do that.
For the record, if you would give us your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? What I think I would bring to the Board, as I indicated in the paperwork, is 46 years in higher education at a pretty high level. Every not-for-profit Board needs a mix of people with different kinds of skills. And that is true of a university, as well. And it is particularly true that a university Board needs on it people who understand this very peculiar business. And it is a business. It needs on it people who can help with admissions issues, enrollment issues, fundraising issues, construction issues, student relations issues, curriculum issues, these things will and should come before a Board. And if a Board does not have on it people who really understand these issues and can ask the pertinent questions of the appropriate people at the right time who work for the institution, then the Board will not be able to help in the way that it needs to help. So in my years, most recently, 18 years as a Dean at Syracuse University, I have dealt with every conceivable kind of issue that can come in front of a major university. And I'm new to South Carolina. I've only lived here 14 months. I'm a Yankee. Not a Yankee fan. I'm a Yankee. I love it here. My wife and I love it here. We're glad we came. I'm not sure sometimes that everyone in South Carolina is happy about the flood of Northerners. But we're glad we came.
And I have the time to do this and the experience to do this. And so, Senator, that's why I'm sitting in front of you today.
Staff, is paperwork in order?
Questions, comments? Mr. King.
My question to you would be: Have you ever visited South Carolina State University? There is in the student body already, I notice a small percentage of students who are not African-American. I can imagine a Board of Trustees discussing the degree to which that percentage should go up because enrollment, as one of the revenue streams of tuition, is crucial. I don't have a fixed opinion about that, but I think that it's going to be an important question. It is also important because the total number of high school graduates in the United States, looking over the next 10 to 15-year period, is going down. This is a very serious problem for schools in the Northeast and the Plains states. It's less serious for South Carolina because the population here is increasing. But it means that those schools are going to be trying to poach students from South Carolina. So this is a zero sum game. And South Carolina, overall the system in South Carolina, as well as South Carolina State, needs to decide what its niche is, how is it going to market itself to students? To what kind of students does it want to market itself? And it needs to be able to present a narrative to students, high school students, as to why South Carolina State is the place for them. And I think it has to go beyond the fact that it's an historically black school. It needs to relate to issues of curriculum. It needs to relate to issues of comfort level, to the kinds of people they will be in classes with, to the kinds of faculty that they will encounter. I've run into all of this with students who are happy at institutions, who are unhappy at institutions, who decide to leave.
So that's a long answer to a question about diversity. And I'll just boil it down to say: It needs to remain an historically black school. It needs to serve that population. It needs to serve it better. I'm not sure it needs to only serve that population. And if you can figure out where you want to decide these campuses are going to do these things and do them well, and these campuses are going to do these things and do them well, then you can focus your resources and not spend a lot of money where you shouldn't. One of the reasons American higher education overall is so expensive is that you have duplication of programs within the same campuses. And I've seen that at every institution that I've been at. And getting these institutions to change is very, very difficult. Everything you've heard about higher education and faculties is true. They are exceedingly conservative when it comes to themselves and getting anything to change.
But one of the discussions that the Board needs to have is this question of what is it that South Carolina State is going to offer that other branches of the state system are not going to offer or don't offer at the same level and can we afford to do it?
Mr. Scott? Thank you, Dr. Rubin, for your willingness to serve. What do you really know about this institution? I mean, what I've heard, it's been so generic. More of operation as relates to faculty and instruction. The Board is about policy. What do you really know about the institution? Its deferred maintenance, its capital needs, its cash flow. Do you know anything really about this institution?
I know you indicated -- I want to be as fair as I can with you because you indicate you've only been here about 14 months. You came last November. But what do you really, really know about this institution other than it's looking for Boards of Trustees?
But my ability to get the kind of information that you seem to would want me to know at this point, I'm not -- other than individuals at the institution opening their books to me, and I don't know why they would, I don't know how I would get it. But right now, in looking at the institution, looking for good policymakers, as you design on your Board certain people to chair certain portions of the college outside of curriculum, what's actually going on the campus, without already having some kind of knowledge base of going on it, it's going to take a little time to just kind of catch up. And I was happy to hear about the things that you actually talked about, what you mentioned is, those things you offer that's different from other institutions.
But to know about just some basic stuff, student enrollment, capital needs, cash flow, deferred maintenance and those kinds of issues of policy issues that the Board would find itself in, and my question again, is: What do you know about any of those things other than the stuff you read on the website?
So there needs to be -- and I assume there's an onboarding process. And I know how to ask questions. I have journalism in my background.
Thank you, Dr. Rubin. I'd just ask you to elaborate on that because swimming upstream seems like a lot of us in a lot of different fields, whether it be higher ed or a lot of public sector activity, thinking outside the box, everybody else is thinking competitive student recruitment.
Retention will be based on affordability. And you're openly suggesting that tuition is -- education is undervalued based on tuition. So the Board needs to look at all of those possible revenue streams. Tuition is one of them. The first question I would need an answer to is: What is the true discounted tuition? That is, what are kids really paying at this point? The sticker price is low, as I indicated in my paperwork. The fact that it's low may mean that it can be raised without doing damage to enrollment. The fact that enrollment isn't very good now and the tuition is low would seem to indicate that one is not helping the other. So it is possible that we're not testing the upper limit of what the tuition could be. It is also the case that students tend to value more -- and I've seen this myself -- what they pay for. And that if they get something for nothing, they treat it as if it's worth nothing. And so it is not -- it is counterintuitive, but it's not necessarily true that low tuition will attract students. And they may perceive that if the tuition is higher, they're paying more and they're also getting more.
Now, this is a science. And you need to test where you can raise the tuition and not hurt your enrollment. And I'm not sitting here today going to tell you what that price point is. But you're lucky in that the price point is already low because you have room to move up.
I just want to briefly follow up on a couple of things, one because normally I would say how often you visit the campus. Question Number 6 you responded. With you being retired I would assume you would have the appropriate amount of time that's necessary to give if you were chosen to be a Board member? You're currently talking about the 2900 students currently enrolled there. You also talk about the attractive assets and the library of 50 years of age. Handsome. The Green Student Life Center is well located. The plaza outside is attractive, is welcoming. Students, quite impressive.
You also talked about the fitness facility where it was located and it was in good shape. So obviously you did a -- not a thorough but somewhat of a visitor's approach, I would assume, as if you were visiting and trying to give your insights as someone and you would see things, the assets and those things that need improvement. Would that be a fair characterization? So I spent a good long time walking around, taking notes, going into buildings I'm not sure I was supposed to be in, poking around.
As I said, I have journalism in my background, and so getting back to Senator Scott, I learn quickly. I promise you that, Senator Scott. I learn quickly.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
My last question to you, Mr. Rubin, is: I'm right here. What would be -- besides your time, would there be a financial support to the college or to the university if you were a Board member? Number 2, if there isn't, I think there should be. And so as a Board member, I would argue that that should be imposed on Board members.
And, three, whether there's a requirement or not, I would give, yes.
And I have given a considerable amount to Syracuse University, which was my most recent employer. Number two, as a Dean, we often had to make presentations to the Board on various kinds of issues. When we were building our third building, the Board wanted to know regularly how it was coming and who the architects were and fundraising and so on. So I interacted with them a lot there.
And I was in many social settings with them, whether it was athletic events or dinners or whatever. And a lot of them are personal friends. So, yes, I understand the boards and how they work.
Mr. Scott.
One good question. Tell me a little bit about your fundraising capacity, the 30 million that you raised for the new building, another 50 million you raised as Dean over the 18 years. Was it grant funding? Was it corporate? Tell me a little bit about how that process worked. It was also an increasing annual fund from alumni.
Almost none of it -- none of it is government. And the reason none of it is government is the First Amendment, which is you don't really want government involved in a private institution and one that is teaching free press issues. So we kept our fundraising to private companies and individuals. All in favor, raise your right hand. Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
(Laughter)
(Laughter) (Laughter) Then you said you were a journalist. (Laughter)
And now you say you're a Syracuse Big Orange and beat my Tigers? (Laughter.)
You did get out more? I know you made to it Orangeburg, but you didn't get on up. Senator Peeler, I hope it's not three strikes and I'm out.
(Laughter)
How do you do, Ma'am? For the record, if you would give us your full name. MS SCOTT: Yes. I applied for this position. I've been in Charleston for probably 40 some years. I worked at the College of Charleston for 38 years. Fervent advocate of public higher education in the State of South Carolina. I worked my way through the institution, setting precedents, started an Institutional Research and Strategic Planning. And for the last probably 28 years or more have been Vice President for Facilities Planning at the institution. I've worked a lot nationally with Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, on visiting committees of various colleges going through the information. I have worked for a lot of -- well, several nonprofit boards that I'm still on, such as the Food Bank, People Against Rape, YMCA. In my position at the college, it's talking about working with Board of Trustees, I've been the staff liaison to the Facilities Committee of the College of Charleston Board of Trustees probably for the last 20 years. So I have experience in that.
So I think the combination of my education and my experience puts me in a good position to be of benefit to South Carolina's State Board. A lot of my fundraising hasn't been necessarily private donations, but I've worked with the private sector of the City of Charleston on various -- several large, large private/public partnerships, which I think is an important revenue stream for everyone to look at in higher education. We did one that produced a parking garage and a joint use facility, a residence hall. A second one, major city block was another private/public enterprise that we did, which is a combination of parking, residence halls, food facilities, and retail space.
So, once again, fundraising, I guess you can look at it in various ways besides just private donations and solicitation.
Earlier, things with my children, if they would have events held there. So probably it's been a couple years. The major needs are probably very similar to a lot of other institutions in terms of deferred maintenance, diversifying revenue streams, which is why I brought up the public/private partnerships that have been very important to all higher education, particularly public higher education. I think it's getting there, but I think that the public relations issues that it has incurred over the last, whatever, 10, 15, 10 years or so is a huge roadblock that it needs to turn around. I think it has, because if you look at the change in enrollment, it dropped, as you all were mentioning, over the last 10 years enormously, over 40 percent. But if you look at last year versus the year before, it's down to a little over 2 percent. So I think the institution is turning that around. But it's facing the same thing in terms of revenue streams as other colleges and public colleges and universities in this state and in this nation, which is declining enrollments. And I think it needs to probably, in terms of maintaining its historically black role in higher education in the State of South Carolina, perhaps needs -- I think there's about 80 some percent is in-state. And maybe it needs to look at increasing that out-of-state a little bit more. And the other thing it may now need to consider is it played such a huge important role to the African-American community from the late 1800s forward in terms of extension programs and providing a public higher education option for that population. And I think we need to take a look at what other populations that have been underserved that are growing in this state, whether it's Hispanic, whether it's any other underserved or minority population, maybe take a look at its role.
It's done so well over the years with the African-American community in terms of creating and providing great higher education opportunities, perhaps it can continue that legacy in a similar manner with other emerging minority populations in the state. What about the majority population, especially within that Orangeburg Region as we move for a more diverse school? I'm not going to ask one institution to be more diverse and staff and faculty and not look at historical black colleges, too, and those things that you think it can do to attract majority students to the institution because even when I was there in the early '70s, I mean early '70s, there were majority students or white students going to the institution. And since this college is becoming more regional in concept, as you indicated -- you retired from College of Charleston. That's been one of its issues trying to attract as many folks as it can in the region because of costs associated with it.
Tell me what you would do as a Board member to try to attract more white students to come to the institution and so you have a good diverse group on the campus.
To attract that population, I just think it needs to focus on some of the unique programs that it has. The business degrees dealing with the agricultural orientation. I think focusing on education is enormously important in terms of being attractive to all populations, be it -- Because they're within that region of Orangeburg, Bamberg, Allendale, a good number of students. I know that you're competing with Claflin, Voorhees and some other schools in the region. What would you do different? I'm glad to see you spent 38 years in higher education, so you got a pretty good handle on what's going on in our education, especially coming out of Charleston, but now trying to attract some of the students who normally, based on SATs and the College of Charleston, getting in the class ranking and things of that nature, they've got to go somewhere else, UFC is right up the road, its SAT requirements are just as high.
Give me some examples. I know it's kind of putting you on the spot a little bit. To attract a more diverse population, besides looking at the other, which I've already hit on, to get to your question of attracting more majority populations, besides emphasizing the diverse or uniqueness of some of your programs, I think you need to look at financial aid, which is important. It's important to every school. Increasing financial aid opportunities that will attract a more diverse population.
Looking out-of-state. I know you specifically asked about the Orangeburg area. But the reality is that I think South Carolina State needs to look at other areas, as well, whether it's out-of-state -- and I understand there's always a fine line between staying true to serving the population of South Carolina since it is a state-supported school; but, once again, you have the opportunity to have a bigger pool of people that you can recruit. You also have the luxury of increased tuition with those out-of-state students. But as we look here at creating more diverse boards, whether it's HBCU or what they call "The Big Three" or just a basic college that has been a majority of schools, looking at that -- and I know I didn't give you a whole lot of time to put that thought together, but if we're going to create more diverse boards, especially with HBCUs, that has got to be one of the issues up front that we talk about, especially as we deal with race and culture and comfort and growth and especially a curriculum, as well.
Thank you, Ma'am.
Senator Alexander.
With your background and experience, you have the time and the ability to contribute what would be needed to be an effective Board member?
How do you do, sir?
Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I believe South Carolina State is a tremendous institution that seeks to serve the students of South Carolina, and it is a tremendous part of the South Carolina culture. And as a Board of Trustees member, I will do everything humanly possible to be the best Board member that I can and to serve in that area.
And I am very appreciative of you all's commitment and your time. And I look forward to your questions.
Staff? Paperwork in order?
Mr. Grant, you understand the importance of having South Carolina State in our state. Can you tell me when was the last time you visited South Carolina State? Since the day I graduated, I've made it a point to frequently visit the campus and also stay in contact with students who are on the campus as far as the Student Government Association. I've done several discussions at the campus, and I am leading an effort right now that has the support of the President, the National Alumni Association President, and the school's Foundation President to put together a fundraising effort that specifically targets students -- I mean, not students, alums under the age of 40 because I believe that there is an untapped market with alums and giving back in that age group. And so I want to do the best that I can to help cultivate that culture of giving, of also giving to the school.
I am an Alumni Association member with Columbia. And I have given with the school's effort for Giving Tuesdays. And I believe in diversity. It goes more than just race. You have age diversity. You have ethnic diversity. So I believe that is represented. We can always do more. But I believe in terms of the diversity on the Board of Trustees, it's needed. Especially, in my opinion, with age diversity.
I think students and alums like to follow the lead of people who necessarily reflect them in their views, in their values. And so I believe part of that is in diversity. I know what the rich history, the legacy. Your father went to the institution. You've gone to the institution. I've gone to the institution. But somehow or another -- I know there's a gap with young people sharing an interest coming back to that institution, and especially not just African-American but also white students, as well, because we've had them on the campus before. And before we leave, we will probably interview some others who are graduates of that institution.
Give me some of your thinking, your thoughts, your thought pattern of what you think we can do to get them back on the campus again. And so I think there are some opportunities where we can take advantage of our in-state students who are high school graduates. I have some ideas in how to reach them because I think in order to get that generation, it's not going to be enough to go off of our relatives' stories of when they were on campus; I think we have to go to them and make it relative to where we are now.
So I think as the institution looks to recruit new students, I think we should go out into these high schools, go out into these various regions of South Carolina and bring that South Carolina, or as we say in Bulldog Country, that old SC Spirit into these high schools and show them hey, this is a world-class institution, this is what you can get here. And here are some of the stories and testimonies of people who have graduated from the school.
Ms. Henderson. Thank you so much, Mr. Grant, for your willingness to serve. Especially young people better -- giving back to their community. It means a lot. I thought you had some really good ideas in your written statements. And I wanted to ask you. I thought your idea about ROTC was actually a really good one.
Were you in the ROTC when you were there? (Laughter)
And if I may, as a part of our efforts in South Carolina State in just what our fraternity and all fraternities and sororities, what it means to South Carolina State University, next month our local chapter at the campus, which I am a member of, we will be embarking on the Chapter's 90th Year of Existence at South Carolina State. And part of our Chapter's initiative is to have a capital campaign that raises $90,000 to give to the university. And so far we've reached over $50,000. Well, I think the ROTC idea is a good one. And things that, you know, I have been on this Board for about five years or so, getting to see some of these smaller colleges and universities in the state try to struggle with, you know, how do we make ourselves attractive to students? We can't compete with Clemson and Carolina, but we can compete with Lander and Winthrop and other schools to find a niche, educational program or something that makes them attractive and different from other schools. And I think that's a really, really good idea.
And I wanted to ask you about one other thing, and that is I noticed that when you got out of school, you worked briefly at the Investment Commission? But I think it's important to note while I was there, I had the opportunity to work in the Office of the President. So I understand how that relationship between the President and the Board of Trustees and your admissions office, registrar's office, all of those, all those entities and offices work to make the university the best that it can be.
There's a distinct difference between micromanaging and vision casting. And I don't believe it's the university's role to micromanage the day-to-day operations, but to set forth the goals of the institution for years to come.
Mr. Chairman, I know there might be some other questions, but I'd like to make a motion at the appropriate time to recommend Mr. Grant. And thank you, Mr. Grant, for your willingness to serve. It's refreshing to see young people willing to serve their state and serve their alma mater. So thank you for what you're doing.
I did have one question for you, though. I know we talk a lot about funding. Partnerships is huge. So if we can reach out to some new partners, get some new funds into the institution, that's one of the first things I would like to do. As well as working on morale. I think morale is a constant effort with the university. We have to rebrand ourselves as the premier institution not only as HBCU but a premier institution in the State of South Carolina.
Those are some of the things I'm already working on, and I can't wait to work on once I get on the Board.
Thank you. Next, Travis Johnson from Warrenville.
Good afternoon, sir. I have been working in higher ed almost 10 years now, between three different universities. I have worked in state government before. And just looking to serve on a higher level as far as public service.
I think South Carolina State not only plays a wider role in the HBCU community but also plays a vital role in the higher education community. And not only in South Carolina but globally and regionally.
Ms. Davis?
And thank you for your willingness to serve on the South Carolina State University Board. As a computer science graduate and I see that you are currently the Chief Technology Officer at Newberry College, is that correct? If I'm elected to the Board, yes, I am available to make recommendations across-the-board.
My background, I grew up -- obviously I grew up having a liking to computers and engineering; but my professional background, I have done networks. I am a trained DBA also. So as far as using my expertise for the Board, I can bring that expertise, including vendor negotiations, if possible. Maybe that could be a path that we can do with the program also, too. But I think to grow the program, I think we definitely have to continually to add -- like in the coding business or computer science field, I think you have to continue to add more courses that are dealing with coding. Like I know some schools, we may be C-sharp or C++, but we got to add jQuery or we got to add some SQL, sequel structure language. We've got to continue to develop those programs.
If I'm elected to the Board, I'm more than willing to look at the curriculums and make professional recommendations to what the industry may want to see as far as in the computer science graduate or computer engineering graduate.
Thank you for your willingness to serve, sir.
How do you do, Ma'am?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? And I would like to serve on the South Carolina State Board because I'm a firm believer that every student should have the opportunity to have a quality education and to get a degree, whether it's at an HBCU or not at a HBCU.
I currently have a son that attends South Carolina State University. So this opportunity to represent South Carolina State as on the Board of Trustees is a huge deal to my heart.
Would you tell me, Ms. Dortch, which specialty would you actually bring to the Board? I've heard, IT, I've heard marketing, I've heard finance. What expertise would you actually bring to the Board, and some of the changes you'd be able to make with the expertise that you do have?
Also, as far as hiring the President, things of that sort, is always I have staff that I have to hire who are very familiar with policies and procedures as, like I say, with my current role with running the elections, of course there is a lot of policies and procedures and laws we have to follow with that.
My question is -- and you probably heard me ask this question previously. I'm looking for Board members who are also committed financially to the institution. Ms. DORTCH: Yes, sir. I actually have a lot of family members and friends that are graduates and also myself that donate annually to South Carolina State University. And I also get onto my family and my friends that are alumnis to make sure that they are donating to the university.
And also stay on to my son to whenever he does his summer internships, that every summer you are to donate back to your university because without your university, you are not who you are.
Thank you, Ma'am.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
I do have one quick question for you: What is the Interagency Coordinating Council?
I have, as you might imagine, discussed this with the person that employs me directly right now, and he's fully aware of the time commitment, not just for posted Board meetings or posted activities but other, perhaps ad hoc activities that may arise. He's fully supportive of my ability to be available for the institution, barring any emergency in his office.
And beyond that, how do you see yourself being able to facilitate diversity on the campus? And in what aspect would you play or what role would you play in making sure that we have a diverse campus?
It's important -- the university's important to the entire state. The university's important to every South Carolinian. And having some voices that aren't necessarily born and raised in either the community or the university helps reflect the importance of the university to others in the state who are not closely connected to it.
Going back to your question of time commitment, of course, the person I work for knows that I'll need to be on campus more than just the Board meeting or the two hours of the Board meeting on a given day. It's my goal to be there in a way that is not at a structured Board meeting time or maybe even at a structured activity time but to, with the help of administration, meet some faculty, meet some students, find out more about what their perspective is so that it informs me as someone who's trying to help from a governance perspective.
Mr. Scott.
Share with me some of your ideas on going on this Board. And I also know that you put some thought into this thing because you don't just automatically do something. Tell me where your thought pattern is and what you think you can accomplish going on this Board. The university has a place among the four-year comprehensive colleges in this state: Lander, Winthrop, whomever; and it needs to regain that footing so that it can serve alongside those other institutions, but in its own way. Some things that I think I could tell you the things I would like to work on that I think will be important to the university: Faculty and student recruitment and retention. In many ways, at that most fundamental level, the problems for many colleges are not that different from K-12. You need to attract and retain good, competent faculty. And that leads to your ability or helps in your ability to recruit and retain quality students. Those are two things that I have firsthand experience with, and so that's one place I'd like to start. I think it's important that the university be able to recruit and retain students who don't have to carry a debt load that's much higher than the national average. I think it's important that they recruit and retain students who can graduate in a four-year timeframe closer to the national average than they do now.
All those things are sort of the fundamental building blocks to put the university back on the solid footing that it once enjoyed, and those are the kinds of things that I think my experience, both practical and in terms of thinking about it as a policy person, that's where I can be most helpful, at least at the start of a potential tenure.
Thank you, sir.
Ms. Johnson, if you would come forward, please. Make sure that the light is burning green so we can hear you.
For the record, would you give us your full name?
Let me swear you in. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I'm Zandra Johnson. I'm from Greenville, South Carolina. I'm a lifelong resident of Greenville County, having only not resided there during the time I attended South Carolina State and during the time I attended law school in New York, as well as working for Jim Clyburn in DC. Other than that, I am a lifelong South Carolina resident.
I am a single mother of two children and a grandchild and delighted to be here. And thank you for the opportunity to be heard before you today.
But you are making payments with an installment plan?
Representative King.
And, Ms. Johnson, the questions I'm about to ask you are questions that we ask everyone in reference to -- that has something on there.
And just being at South Carolina State itself was an exposure to a different type of life and a different -- I guess, a different world of opportunities that -- of which I knew nothing prior to attending South Carolina State as a first-generation college student.
I also have the time to commit to the board and have actually withdrawn myself from consideration for other boards to clear up time for this board. This is actually the only board I've had to actually apply for. All of the others, I was recruited for those. So this is definitely a passion of mine. I have always told myself that your environment doesn't influence you, but I do believe on that occasion it had something to do with it. Obviously, I make my own decisions, and some of those decisions were bad, and I recognize that, which is why I rectified that by participating in the community service that I do and tell my story whenever given an opportunity to do so.
But there was nothing --
And it was, if I'm not mistaken, probably something that said inciting a riot. Or at least when it was originally charged, I think -- Ms. Johnson, you know, when I look at a pardon, I -- there is a person who believes in second chances. I'm the second-chance guy. You've got kids that you're going to have to deal with at the school, and these kids come from first time ever going to college -- first-time member of the family going to college, and what we're trying to do is to identify some strong leaders who can lead these kids by example. The example starts really at the time you become a young adult. And so I'm just concerned. I mean, your education and knowledge is brilliant. You've done an excellent job from the environment you came out of until where you are now.
Tell me a little bit about the complete turnaround, because I see after you finally grew up and discovered --
Tell me about the transition. What happened with this transition in your life?
And so I worked very hard to make -- When my daughter graduated high school, I didn't expect that she would do exactly what I did, but she did. I said, "Well, where are you going to go to school?" And she said, "Well, I think I'm going to go to South Carolina State."
Now, my children know some of the things about my past but not all -- So as far as they're concerned, I have always been who I am, and that's what I pride myself on. And I do believe that the challenges I faced and the bad decisions that I have made make me a better leader for the children who have these same obstacles and challenges and believe that once they have done that, their life is over and they have no other opportunities.
So I do -- I tell my story pretty much whenever I can, and I usually try not to cry. So...
You said your children are not fully aware of everything. If we move you out favorably, are you aware that this becomes public record, and your children will know as well as the general public will know? Because anything that we do as legislators can be offered up under Freedom of Information once it becomes public, and you are making your life public. So are you fine with that?
So I took the steps necessary to sit here before you today, and I have absolutely no problem. I had to do the same thing when I applied to law school, and I had to do the same thing before the committee on character and fitness when I got ready to sit for the bar, which is also something that is subject to a FOIA request. So I'm absolutely fine with that.
So you're an attorney now?
As a solo practitioner, I accept how many ever cases I want to accept, and I can control my practice that way, as well as my court appearances are also pretty much controlled. They told me before I even opened my mouth that they were going to allow me to sit for the bar. And I have not had a problem since that time. I actually served on -- I'm an attorney to assist, so I investigate complaints that are filed against other attorneys, and I was appointed by the South Carolina Supreme Court to do that, and I've been doing that for seven years so far, in addition to a commissioner of CLE for the continuing legal education program.
So with respect to the bar, I am held in high esteem, and there are no questions with respect to my reputation.
And as a member of those boards, I was always taken to, I guess, solicitations for donations to support the organizations. I've used my network, which has become somewhat expansive because I've always been in Greenville, and I've always availed myself of the network around me through my practice of law. And I believe that using those things as well as my skills as a negotiator and a communicator and my ability to seamlessly move within various socioeconomic classes would be an asset to the board.
Of course I have an interest in it. I think we need a vet school here. That may be the lifeline you need. Truthfully, what do you think?
And so it's always been her dream to go to veterinarian medicine school I do recognize that there are only 22 in the entire country and that half of the veterinarians in this state attend vet school outside of the country. So I believe it would be a good move for South Carolina State to have that. Being the only one in the state, it would be something akin to the nuclear engineering program that now resides at South Carolina State and would draw a vast majority of students who would not otherwise have considered the university, such as it has done for Tuskegee University.
Senator Scott. First, let me commend you on such a tremendous turnaround. You don't get accepted in St. John's University in Queens, New York, with what I've seen, this today. You don't do this and turn around and become a part of what the Supreme Court is allowing you to do.
And I think looking at some of the issues that some of these colleges and universities will be facing with some kids who will come through with certain types of disciplinary issues they've got to deal with and the disciplinary problems they have to deal with, I think because of what you've been through and because of what you've seen and because of what life has allowed you to see, the other side that can be really good, I'm going to offer a favorable report for her. Any other discussion? Hearing none, all in favor, say aye.
ALL MEMBERS: Aye.
Good morning, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? In 1984, I walked into the gates of South Carolina State University with a desire to follow in the footsteps of my mother and father and 30 other family members who graduated from this great institution. My desire to serve on the board of this outstanding institution was a reflection of some values and traits instilled upon me during my time at South Carolina State University: stewardship, public resources, academic rigor, and an unyielding pursuit of excellence. It is my goal over the last 25 years to accumulate skills that I could come back and help my institution: an MBA in finance, an attorney JD, LLM, and also post-doctorate work at Harvard University. To achieve these goals, I think you need to have the highest level of education and knowledge. From there, I went on and became the chairman of Sisters of Charity Foundation, one of the largest nonprofit foundations in South Carolina. Right now I am the chair, and we have run a very successful two years accumulating over $100 million and investing over 60 million in poverty in South Carolina. These are the skills that I bring, along with being a college administrator myself, being a former finance officer in the United States Army, and also a SACS evaluator and reviewer. So I understand the accreditation process clearly. My alma mater, survival of this alma mater, is the core of my willingness to be here and serve on this board.
Thank you, Chairman.
Paperwork in order?
Mr. King.
And thank you, Mr. Smalls -- or Attorney Smalls, for offering yourself. White men, white women that is a part of diversity to me. So an environment that has African Americans, almost 95 percent, they need to incorporate white women and white men in that environment as teachers and also students and vice versa. Those education environments that have the majority of white men and white women need to incorporate African Americans also. So I see it. I live it every day. I've been teaching at Benedict College for almost 20 years. So I understand the need and the desire to have diversity, especially in this global environment. I think it's critical that we train these students to go out in this environment and that they feel comfortable in all types of environments themselves.
So yes, diversity is critical, and it should be one of the key goals of all institutions of higher learning. And I want to say to Mr. Chairman and the rest of the Committee, I'm really impressed with the candidates that we have had for South Carolina State. I'm more overly impressed to say that this is a person from House District 49. His family resides in my district.
And so I'm always impressed to see people who are educated in the public school system in my area. Well done and congratulations for all that you have done.
Mr. Smalls, you said you're still at Benedict, or are you no longer at Benedict? Are you at USC Upstate? My wife works with Fluor in Greenville. The reason for that transition was that she was going through a heart illness, and our agreement was, "If you survive that surgery, then I would try to get home."
And she survived, and I'm at home.
Last question. About the vet school, what do you think? And I think if you bring in a new program -- I don't care what it is, sir -- we need to make sure these students understand that entire process and how they can be successful by going into it. So I think we need to bring in those organizations who are going to hire those veterans. I mean, excuse me, those veterinarians who are going to hire them and bring them in to help us develop a program that then relates to the needs of that field of study. So I say to what you're saying, sir, a cursory look, I will say yes, but now I think it's the details, and the devil is in the details. Let's make sure the hiring is there, make sure the quality of the program is good, because I have started a lot of programs, and the quality did not relate to the needs. And it sounded good, but it wasn't successful. And that's what I want to bring to South Carolina State, to make sure that that core curriculum is concrete and it connects to the needs of that end user who would be that veterinarian and organization and all that, wherever that veterinarian may go for employment. So I think you have to bring them in and talk to everybody. Last week we just started an analytics program at USC Upstate. I was a part of that committee that developed that program. The first thing we did was we went out to BMW, we went out to Boeing, and we went out to all the corporate executives and brought them in and said, "How should our program look?"
I think we need to do the same thing with your idea, sir. Bring everyone in, and let's see how that program would look, and then make sure that we have the skill set, even teaching. I think you need to go back to the resource and the skill set to teach a program like that, and I think we have it in South Carolina, but I think you've just got to dot thesis and cross the t's when it comes to developing it. Any other questions or comments? What's the desire of -- motion is favorable. Seconded. Any other discussion? All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you. Thank you, sir, for your willingness to serve.
Good afternoon, sir. As the interim Board member, I would like to continue my service at SCSU as Board of Trustees because the school's at a point where I now can assist in the critical needs of the university such as updating the outdated technology system, getting Truth Hall back on board, one of the largest buildings in Orangeburg, South Carolina, back on line, building a new student center and Smith-Hammond-Middleton Memorial Center which is used for multiple purposes. And for the record, I'd like to clear up something Miss Monica Scott, she said we were down in enrollment and down 2 percent. But actually we got a little tic up, very short, very minute. It's 1.2 percent increase from where we were, from 2610 to 2641. Just for the record.
I'd like to entertain any questions that you might have for me.
Mr. Scott.
One question. I know when we created the Interim Board of Trustees, the Board of Trustees understood they were only going to be there for 36 months. The question in the back of my mind is: Why did we end up with a President that came out of the Interim group rather than going out for the actual search?
Do you think to switch the President now in an awkward position with a new Board coming in and they'll come in with new ideas and new ways they want to accomplish things than having been appointed by an Interim Board by the institution?
I think the results of it can be proven that we were losing money, not paying our bills. We are paying our bills. Enrollment is up. And we are on the uptick.
Mr. Shell, welcome to Columbia. I know we're from God's country up there in Rock Hill.
I have a couple questions for you. Who hires the lobbying firm for you all? Does the Board or does the -- My goal is to raise a half million dollars and endow that scholarship so students will always have a means to go back to school.
As you know, most of our students come from a rural area, in which I am one, and had it not been for a scholarship opportunity, I could not have gone to South Carolina State University.
Thank you, Mr. Shell, for your willingness to continue to serve.
For the record, if you would give us your full name.
(Laughter)
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Of course, I got sidetracked when another President came in and changed all of that. My major area of expertise in this regard is fiscal and administrative affairs. I served on the SACS Study Committee for about 30 years wherein my area of concentration was fiscal and administrative affairs. And, secondly, I had to do the governance of a university. And in one place I had to do student services, as well. And also I had to do academic affairs at an external university, external campus. So that will show you the breadth of what I have been doing in higher education for the last 40 years of my work experience. I have kind of a passion about higher education for students, so I need to be very careful and not take all your time by speaking with you. I have an undergraduate degree from South Carolina State in 1968. I have a graduate degree from the Atlanta University in finance. I have a Master's degree from the University of South Carolina in student personnel services. And I have a doctorate from the University of Memphis in teaching. The whole thing about all of this education was to make sure I could be able to speak intelligently to any section of the campus and be able to hold a real good conversation with them and to understand what is going on so that I can properly prepare for whatever comes before me. I will stop now since I noticed that we are supposed to have 15 minutes, and I will let you all ask any questions you want to ask about any phase of higher education. But I will note one other thing, that at the University of North Alabama, their enrollment was declining. And I presented a proposal that had to be defended all the way to the General Assembly in Alabama that caused them to increase enrollment.
I also want to note that I established a program at the University of North Alabama for retention of students. So that would give you kind of a breadth of what I'm capable of doing.
And I do want you all to know. Dr. Shuler is the one candidate that applied for the Board when it initially was opened in September.
(Laughter)
I'll say this. I sent a copy of my résumé and two other documents, a transmittal letter and for the page I received, I don't think you may or may not have gotten that.
Do you know Laura Hall?
So I'm impressed that, first of all, you went to a great area to get your -- I want to say your Master's at Clark Atlanta.
(Laughter)
My question to you: Your giving, first of all, when is the last time you visited South Carolina State? I will say this. I came back to South Carolina State in 2001 because I know it needed my help. South Carolina State did not want me. They got rid of a whole lot of folk. I felt very bad because I knew where we were heading. We were heading downhill just as fast as we could. But no one was listening. So it took me a while to recover and say, hey, look, everybody's complaining, no one is doing anything. So I decided -- I went and rejoined the Alumni Association, became a life member, and started my participation with them. And then decided to come here to try to see if I can give them the help that I know that they need.
Now, financially, I was a little bit slow in that. In fact, I'm still slow in that because I'm not sure as a Wilbur Shuler thing that things are what they need to be. If you don't want my help, then I know how to address that, too. And thank you for your willingness to continue to serve on the South Carolina State University Board.
Given your financial background and the familiarity with the finances of the college, do you think that it is on sound financial footing now? Are we seeing brighter days ahead financially? Or do you think there's still some issues that need to be addressed? And when they changed to what they call criteria, then I don't know what it is right now because they changed every few years. When I would evaluate a school, most of the schools that were solid had those same kind of relationships; for example, occasionally about 48 percent. But most of the time 50 plus percent went to the instructional program. The lowest percentage went to academic support, which was libraries. Physical plant had the second highest percentage. Student services had the third highest percentage. And institutional support, where the President and all the other officers were, was the smaller group. So, strong institutions kind of maintain that relationship. I have not seen the financial reports from the university, so I can't make those kind of statements, but that would be the first thing that I would do. Also, we need to know what departments that are putting a drain on the institution. You can't have certain faculty members getting a certain salary and only teaching two or three students. I had to challenge that one time when I was at another institution and found out the faculty member was not teaching the students to earn their own salary.
So these are the kind of evaluations that I would go through. Just two of them. There are many of them, as I serve on the SACS committee, I had to look at a lot of different items of evaluation to determine the strength and the viability of the financial conditions of the university.
Thank you, sir.
Good morning, ma'am. I'd also like to say that I am also an entrepreneur. I bring to the table 32 years of being a business owner. I have my own business. Therefore, I have made some trenches along the way in my community, and I will bring those qualities along with me to this board of trustees. As well, I am a graduate of Florida A&M University. I am currently serving on the chamber board in Florence. I was the first black female to chair the board. I have children who have attended Florida A&M University. So I bring to you that historical perspective on HBCUs, as well as the business background, the networking, the stick-to-itiveness. I am a committed person to any task that I take on. I do pledge that I would be able to attend meetings and do what I can to bring transparency to this board and work as a unit, a team. So I bring to you experience from fundraising activities with United Negro College Fund, National Council of Negro Women, serving as chair of those activities to raise funds to give money to the South Carolina area schools in the way of funding for students to go to school.
So I am interested in this position, and I am ready to work, and I do thank you again for allowing me an opportunity to come before you.
Staff, is the paperwork in order?
Representative King. Let me be the first to say, Ms. Alexander -- and I hope I'm not mistaken, but you are the first person that has come before this committee that has talked about fundraising, that has the ability to fundraise, and so I appreciate that.
Can you tell me why do you want to be on the board of trustees of South Carolina State University? I also think that South Carolina State University is a great school. Yes, there have been some challenges, but my motto is, moving forward, what we can do to move forward and bring a different perspective to the image of the school.
So perception has had to have been the thing that people looked at in the past, but I do think that they've moved past that. The climate is very different, enrollment is on the way up, and I would be glad to be a part of making this transition to the school being viable and visible and in a financial state that students would love to enroll, to come to Orangeburg to South Carolina State University.
Would you be willing to give to South Carolina State to show that leadership, the leadership team of the institution, is giving to the university?
Senator Scott. How much do you really know about what's going on at South Carolina State College? I know the fundraising is one aspect of it, but also in looking at changing some programs and attracting some more students and trying to -- the State has a 1900 -- a shortage of teachers in this year that's coming up, and next year, we will really have to look at, especially, going back to work with the HBCUs and start doing teacher recruitment, especially in the STEM area.
What do you think your contribution could be in that particular area?
But I believe that moving forward, you know, raising funds for new school buildings, gymnasiums, classrooms -- of course, the teachers we do need. So I don't have a great background in that, but that is the learning curve that I'm willing to take on.
Senator Alexander.
And just for the record, good morning.
Representative Whitmire.
Motion is favorable. And that will take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
(Members raise hands.)
Good morning, ma'am. I love my university. I only want the best for South Carolina State University. Over the years, you've heard negative things in the news about it, and that really breaks my heart. When I graduated in 2001, we were doing great things. 99 percent of my classmates were highly certified and ready to go into the classroom because we passed the practice tests. We had things in place that made the university great. I played on the tennis team for two years there. I worked on NASA-based grant -- NASA-based grants. I worked with Gear Up, which is a grant program in which we worked in Bamberg, which is a Title I school. And it sparked for me to become an educator because I was majoring in biology and biology education.
So that is who I am, and I really love my university, and I want to see S.C. State do better and represent our state better.
Senator Scott. In looking at your application, you are not just a regular student. You are a 3.8 student, top of the class. All the things that you were involved in, the work you've done, but most important of all, looking at the STEM program, as we begin to talk about bringing teachers, teacher recruitment back to the university, to all the HBCUs. Back to the comment that Senator Peeler made, next door is growing, but the other HBCUs are really struggling financially and trying to get students back in. I think we moved away from recruiting teachers and getting people on the board who actually understand how important it is to be able to teach the STEMs. When I look at -- your resume is impeccable. The kind of classes you teach -- science, biology, anatomy, chemistry, forensic, and on and on and on -- that's just excellent.
You are a high school level teacher.
I also saw you've got a young child, so you are also trying to -- and a husband who has joined you this morning.
Tell me what you want to do when you get to South Carolina State University, if you are elected by the General Assembly. What do you really want to do?
I attend several campus events during the year. I support the school in any way that I can. My niece was in the band, and she's graduating next year.
It's hard to explain the experience, the links and the networking that comes from that. So I will do what I can to make the university great again. Others? Anyone else?
Senator Alexander. Others?
Hearing none, what's the desire of the committee? Second? Any other discussion on the motion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
(Members raise hands.)
Good morning, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I worked as the assistant general counsel for the Department of Employment and Workforce for a year after being a hearing officer for them for about 18 months. In addition, I've served on boards such as United Negro College Fund of the Pee Dee Area, raising money for their scholarship program. I've served on the Waccamaw Area WIA Board, handling funds regarding the WIA program and how it was allocated to certain individuals who were providing services for WIA. And I have attempted to make myself available to just each and every organization and every young person that I can possibly come in contact with in order to help the educational process here in South Carolina.
I've also been an instructor, a professor at Williamsburg Technical College teaching state and local government as well.
And welcome, sir. To put it into context, my oldest sister started attending South Carolina State University in 1990. My second oldest sister started attending college at South Carolina State University in '92. My third oldest sister started attending South Carolina State University in 1997. I met my wife, who also attended South Carolina State University from 2000 to 2004 with me. And so that's probably about 15 years where I've entered or exited just about every dorm on that campus, moving my family or my girlfriend at that time in and out of dorms. I spent a lot of time on campus, lived there my whole life. After graduating, I spent more time on campus, participating in activities. And the thing that I always found to be the biggest issue on South Carolina State's campus is attention to detail because the small things that deal with residential life just always have been lacking, just like something as simple as hot water in the dorm room on a particular day or something as simple as a mirror in a bathroom or toilet tissue in a bathroom. These simple things always seem to plague the school as an issue.
And so that's what I mean when I speak about attention to detail, attention to details that, when I attended University of South Carolina, I did not have to deal with. But definitely, it would be something that I would like answers to from individuals as to why students may not live in the same type of environment that you would live in if you went to any other university here in South Carolina.
I think it's imperative that if a student is to attend a university that's funded -- a state university that's funded in South Carolina that they have a comfortable environment that's conducive to learning. And so, yes, it would be something that I would ask questions about it if it hadn't already been dealt with.
I have two questions for you.
I just want to see it be what I believe it can be as far as the University. I want the headlines to read positive things, not negative things. And I want to see something there that will be sustainable for decades to come for other people who may not have all the opportunities that other people in the state may have. I was a first-generation -- me and my sister were first-generation college students, and South Carolina State made a great difference in all of our lives. And I would see that continue. My particular focus, because I am heavily involved in the criminal side of the laws that you all put into place, I want to make sure that there's accountability and transparency about how every dollar is spent that comes from the South Carolina government directly to South Carolina State University.
I think it's important that we count every cent that comes in and goes out and we make sure that those who do not do what they're supposed to do when it comes to the taxpayers' money are held responsible for that. Or have you done an objective analysis? Have you done any research or talked to anybody when you made that comparison to the lifestyle at one of the other larger institutions compared to South Carolina State College? And I want to dismiss the last five or six years from South Carolina State College. It's had its problems. Some 40 years ago, I was also a graduate of South Carolina State College. So what was the difference? What made the difference between that university and this university as far as those things which -- when I was there, they had some of the same kinds of issues.
What did you come up with? During my time at South Carolina State University, I made it a point to make the president's office a place that I was comfortable in because I was a Presidential Scholar. So why shouldn't I be able to contact the president when there's no hot water in my dorm room?
So when that happened, I went and specifically spoke to individuals in his office. And what I always found was that matters were quickly resolved. So it seemed to be some type of disconnect between what was going on on the campus and what was actually -- what they thought was going on in the administration building. But you, coming on as a member of the board of trustees, tell me how you plan to resolve some of that, knowing that you've got that big gap of deferred maintenance, and you have a capital problem in terms of bringing your people in. Because I don't want you to walk into this thing blind. It all sounds good when we've got somebody to tell, but now there's nobody to tell. You're that person that gets told that now. You're the one who has to help resolve these kinds of issues. So I want your thinking pattern of the kind of answers that you're going to have to come up with because you don't have the money to do those kinds of things, given where South Carolina State College has just comes from in terms of just restructuring its income flow. The college is back manageable now. But the deferred maintenance is still out there.
And so tell me how you address it, and tell me how we get to it, or tell me how you help them to do both short-term planning and long-term planning to get the school where it should have been all the time. It's always had a lack of actual funding. But one thing that we can do immediately is to have students, have young people, and actually have a way of addressing the board and addressing individuals about the small things, like a broken mirror. I get that it costs money to fix a broken mirror, but it is something that can be fixed. Small things we can deal with without a substantial amount of funds. And so those small things make a big difference in a person's way of living, especially a 17- or 18-year-old. And so any of those small things, and not just painting. Not just painting. Painting is great. It's aesthetically great. But actually dealing with the things that address people's standard of life. There are some things that we can do on the front end. But setting a very long-term vision for the University is something that must be done if it hasn't already been done. And I'm not saying it hasn't been done, but if it has not been done, setting forth a vision and then setting forth a long-term plan to reach that vision, because you don't make up for tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in a couple of years. That's impossible. And I don't think that anybody would be able to persuade the Legislature or persuade alumni to give hundreds of millions of dollars in a couple of years. That's not going to happen.
But there has to be a long-term plan that's going to deal with some of these issues. And so my focus would be, what is that long-term plan, and how do we continue to move forward in progressing the vision of the University?
With your work that you do, is there anything that you'd have any limitations on your ability to be an active board member and attend meetings and other events that would be necessary?
If there's anything that I need to be conflicted out of, the circuit court judges here in South Carolina are great about helping me with that, and they've always been great about that. I'm a Morehouse graduated, which is an HBCU. We're not state funded. And all the members that sit around this table, we fought very hard to keep the doors open there at South Carolina State. Coming from a historically black college, we were always told, and it was ingrained in us as students of Morehouse, about giving and giving back to the institution. As a person who supports South Carolina State as a legislator, fights every day alongside of all of the legislators here in South Carolina to make sure that all of our schools thrive in South Carolina, what can you do as a board member that would implement something on the campus to encourage and engage the students that are there presently as well as the alum to start giving back to the institution? It bothers me that a lot of times we get beat up as legislators about the lack of funding that we may or may not do for any of the institutions in South Carolina, but when you look at the alum, they're not giving. But we are getting blamed. And I know it's a state school, but however, I look at Spelman. I look at Morehouse. And they are thriving. They have their financial issues as well, but they are thriving. They have nice facilities on campus. It's because they -- people give.
I'm one of those givers of my institution. What do you do all do or what have you done when you've seen those issues on the campus? What have you given back to the institution, and how do you promote that as a board member to implement something that would be -- so that the students will engage and be more giving to the institution? And then shortly thereafter, the school took some of what some of my alum believed to be some interesting steps as it relates to persons that they allowed on campus. What I think sometimes is missed, what has been missed to me, is that the individuals who attended South Carolina State University, they attended the school for a reason. They attended because they wanted to be a part of a culture and atmosphere for a reason. And in order to get those individuals to want to give back, they have to first trust that the administration is handling that money properly. They have to believe that the school is still operating under the same guise or a similar guise that it did when it was opened, for the same purpose that it was opened. And there has to be some positive information reflected to them to make them believe that it's worth giving back to the school and keeping the school open.
When I attended South Carolina State University, there was no conversation. I was a Presidential Scholar. I was a SCANA Scholar and a Governor's Scholar. Never was there a conversation about giving back to the school. And if you all are not going to invest in the school, how can we sit here and fight for you all if you're not going to invest in the school?
And I just encourage you, if you are elected as a board member, that you all would implement something that would encourage a culture of giving back to the institution because that is something that, you know, at many of the privately-owned HBCUs, is something that is just extremely important to the life of those institutions.
And when I attended the University of South Carolina School of Law, it was a different atmosphere. They had us sign up to give back immediately upon graduating. So some of those things did not occur in 2004 and 2003. And if they're not occurring now, you can be assured it will be one of the things as a board member that I make an emphasis to talk about.
Thank you. Hearing none, all in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye. The ayes have it. Unanimous.
Thank you so much for your willingness to serve.
For the record, if you would give you guess your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I am originally a Charlestonian and an alumna of South Carolina State University. I have three children, and I have no grandchildren. The dog died about two years ago.
So I have all the time to devote to being on this board.
Paperwork in order?
Mr. King. And, Ms. Lowman, thank you for offering. I did not realize until recently that you were interested in South Carolina State, and I do want to say to the Committee that I am very close with the Lowman family. Her husband was my ER doctor, as well as her sons and daughters, we all attended school together at the AU Center. So I know you very well. I know your involvement.
And so I'm going to ask some questions in relation to South Carolina State. I saw what you gave when your kids were in school in reference to Morehouse and Spelman and how you and your family gave back to those institutions financially, as well as you were present there physically at most functions, even though, you know, you did not have to be, when a lot of parents did not go. I've given more to South Carolina State than I have for Morehouse and Spelman. I am always at South Carolina State. I have sent students financially, supported them at South Carolina State. Every year I give activities and events raising funds for South Carolina State. Two years ago, or maybe three, I sent over $5,000 to the school. Earmarked for the band for uniforms. I was part of Marching 101. Last year, over $5,000 to the young ladies at the school. I know that's not a lot of money, but every year it adds up, and I've certainly given much more than that. I'm always on the campus speaking with the students, seeing their needs, and trying to fulfill their needs.
(Senator Verdin enters the room.) Diversity is very important. They need to know that the world is global. It goes beyond South Carolina. It goes beyond the United States. I have been exposed to education working in education. I have a backlog of experience in education, over 35 years south, north, east, west, Texas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, New Jersey, and working in education with these different states. I have been exposed to education internationally: Abu Dhabi; Dubai; Florence, Italy. I didn't work in those areas, but I observed education in those areas.
So I know that our children at State need diversity.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Lowman, for being here with us this morning. I appreciate your willingness to serve South Carolina State.
I saw something here that interested me. You mentioned a way to attract students being to improve special programs. For example, programs dealing with children with autism or Asperger's. Would you talk about that a little bit, because I think that's the first time I've seen that take on it, and I would like to better understand what your thoughts are there. He's a perfect example of someone that has Asperger's. He's a brilliant surgeon. He's the best at the hospital, but he doesn't have communicative skills the way you and I do. Most colleges do not offer -- there's some that do, University of Pittsburgh, Spelman has initiated a program where children that -- everyone does not fit into that educational regular ED-type person. You have some children who excel in some areas but don't in other, and that's what autism is. They excel and can do just whatever in the area that they are gifted in, but they lack communicative-type skills. And so if we establish a program like that at State, the recruitment would -- we would get to recruit those special-needs students. These parents would have a place for them, and then the enrollment will increase. They will make very good workers. They're very proficient in the areas of where they are gifted.
But most colleges don't offer that type of program, and to bring that program at South Carolina State would be amazing. In addition to the veterinarian services, if you offered that, that would open up amazing opportunities for parents who are really looking for something like that.
Good morning, Mr. Lowman.
More important than all of that, in the At-Large Seat 8, you're the only one.
So, Mr. Chairman, at the appropriate time, just when you finish your questions --
Thank you so much.
Next, Rodney C. Jenkins from Columbia.
For the record, if you would give your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Well, I'm a 1973 class graduate of South Carolina State. I actually marched in '74. I'm married with two grown daughters. I retired from the State of South Carolina as a chief financial officer from First Steps. I come to serve with experience as a budget person from the state level. I have been over here in the General Assembly and committees many times, either with the director or myself doing work with state budget presentations. So I come with passion for South Carolina State University. Over the last 37 years, I've been connected to the university in many ways, either through the alumni chapter in Columbia here, as president of the chapter at one time, or I am the current president of the booster club at South Carolina State University called The S.T.A.T.E. Club.
So, you know, my passion that I have for the university and my experience that I have, I really feel comfortable and feel that I can bring something to the table to enhance what's already been started and the good stuff that's going on there right now.
Staff, is his paperwork in order?
Mr. Jenkins, you said that you were delinquent in your taxes, but you're currently negotiating a payment plan?
And I guess I have a question for the Committee, then I will go to my questions to Mr. Jenkins.
I want to go and look at the student loan situation that you have.
Do you want to talk a little bit about this SLED report: '91, '94, '97, and 2000?
It was a fraudulent check that I had to clarify, and that was taken care of immediately before there was any kind of prosecution. I think we'd be looking for some indication from you as to whether or not you would ask that of us in order to maintain your commitment to seek this post. And I will gladly do it out of equity and fairness in the matter. I just -- I'm looking to you for some indication.
I don't have a previous relationship with you, and based on the vetting that we only have before us, it would be quite a steep grade to make what essentially is three separate issues clarified or reconciled or -- what's the word I'm looking for? Satisfied. Any other discussion?
Mr. Jenkins, it says you're current in negotiating a payment plan. All right. The motion is to carry over. Any other discussion? Hearing none, any objection to carrying over? No objection.
We'll carry this one over, Mr. Jenkins.
Great. Thank you.
(Senator Scott entered the room.)
Will of the committee?
Hearing none, we'll find that candidate -- what was his name again? MS. CASTO: Rodney Jenkins.
All right. Lawrence Joseph Land from Charleston.
For the record, if you would give us your full name for the record.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I grew up in Bamberg, South Carolina, about 18 miles from Orangeburg. I went to the University of South Carolina and played baseball. I was the captain of the team under Bobby Richardson, the Sigma Nu. I was going to play professional baseball until my rotator cuff. I was drafted by the Dodgers. And that dream died. I had to get another one. And so I borrowed $50,000, and I went to Florida, and I started a transportation company. And over 25 years, I created a very large entity. And while I was having success with that business, I was able to go back to my hometown in Bamberg and give back. I created a scholarship fund based around a golf tournament, and we've sent 37 kids to college. Some of those went to South Carolina State. And I just have a real appreciation for my hometown and surrounding area of Orangeburg. I spent a lot of time there and would like to make a difference. I've never served on a board, never run for politics, but I've done pretty good at business. I know what to do in a business, and I know what not to do in a business.
I've had great success, and I've had failure. So I think I can make a difference with the board.
Senator Scott.
Under your SLED report, a 2008 foreclosure, First Palmetto; 2009, another foreclosure; 2009 again, mechanic's lien; in 2015, a foreclosure case. Sticking to your bankruptcy, do you want to tell me about -- My first business, I created a $180 million transportation company, very successful. I then got involved in commercial real estate with a partner. We created a hundred-million-dollar commercial real estate portfolio. 2008 and '9 happened, and we had our butts handed to us. And a lot of times when you're in sophisticated partnerships and some people go bankrupt and you're the only two standing, then you do what you try to do to survive to get through at that time. And to remind everyone, at that time banks were getting TARP money; entrepreneurs weren't. And so we did the best we could do in the circumstances, and all of those -- all of the people that were telling me all along I should just go bankrupt and get rid of this stuff really was not in my persona. I did not want to do that. So 2016, after you've kind of had enough people beating you up for a while, under advice of three law firms, I filed for personal bankruptcy. They did not receive it, and I did that in order to get first Palmetto Bank to settle with me.
And so we have reached a settlement, and I'm very proud of that. So...
Some of it has been satisfied, but it still shows -- it doesn't show that the 2008 foreclosure has been satisfied or -- And it did show your 2009 settled.
The foreclosure case in 2015, do you want to talk a little about that? Anyone else?
Mr. King.
Mr. Land, can you tell me what you think of diversity and the diversity that should be displayed on the campus of South Carolina. I'm an entrepreneur. I believe my greatest days are ahead of me. I have a lot of things working now that you don't know about that, you know, make me a lot of money. But that being said, you know, God has been good to me, and I believe that kids need to know that -- we've told people all our lives, you know, you need to think outside the box. Well, there's no box today, and kids are creating apps, and they're doing things, you know, like Uber. Just people that are being disruptive. Those are the companies. Those are the kids that are going to create things that fix our problems in our society. Find a problem in our society, you can make a business around it today. Look at Airbnb. Airbnb has more work than JW Marriott, and they own the hotels, and JW Marriott has 4,500 hotels. So I believe I bring to the table financial expertise, whether you realize it or not, and teaching people how to think and do things differently and encourage kids to become entrepreneurs and make a difference in our society, because I say, you know, we're upgrading in what I call the "you economy" today. A lot of women are working from home because they want to be with their kids. And so they're creating businesses and things that work from home for companies.
So that's what I would encourage and teach people to think. There is no box. Don't think outside the box. There is no box. Create your own box.
Given your financial background and your business background, have you looked at the finances for South Carolina State?
As I say, we have a scholarship fund in Bamberg, my hometown that we sent kids to school there and paid for their tuition and so forth.
Going back to the foreclosures --
Actually, we started before 2008. Had no idea that the subprime mess was going on. We just got hammered, and I'm sure a lot of people did.
So, Mr. Chairman, if we could afford Mr. Land the same luxury of providing more information within a timely manner on the '09 and '08 matters. I mean, you're going to have people who are in business as entrepreneurs who have had struggles. It seems to me that's who you want on your board because, you know, you want people to know what to do when they go through the fire. And I'm not ashamed of my record. I'm a businessman. I build businesses. And when you have businesses, you have problems, and you deal with the problems the best way you can. And that's what I did in these circumstances, and it seems to me you guys would want somebody on the board that knows how to deal in tough times and encourage people to do that.
And if you'd like for me to, I'd be glad to withdraw my name. I don't want to offend you by my personal record. I want to be a blessing to the school.
So we want to be really careful of the message we send, and we're looking to, yes, create a very diverse board. I mean, that's the goal. But we do want to get some folk on it who have had a good, successful track record and made some good, solid decisions, and that's not easy sometimes.
And it's nothing that -- I mean, we would be doing the same thing -- And I ran 1,500 trucks and 3,000 refrigerated trailers and 23 terminals and 2,000 employees. So I know pretty much, you know, about operating the right way and doing things the right way, but I didn't know so much about the real estate business. But I learned a great lesson. And so those lessons are what you have in life that are more valuable than anything that you can translate into other situations that need that kind of expertise and help. I can send to this body my settlement with First Palmetto. And I'm very happy with that, and that's over with. I'm moving on with my life.
So I don't know what else to do.
I appreciate the comments of Representative King. I know that right now the school is governed by the most conservative and track-record-proven businessman in this state.
He was the one who had the payment agreement, and you all had requested a copy of the payment agreement. I have that. This is the one that he had with First Palmetto Bank.
We find that candidate favorable.
Mr. Lawrence, if you would, for the record, give us your full name.
Can I get some water, please?
(A brief recess transpired.)
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? My first involvement with South Carolina was as a migrant kid. We came to Edgefield, South Carolina to pick peaches. From there, we went to Culpeper, Virginia to pick potatoes, and from there, we went to Rochester, New York to do broccoli and cauliflower and apples and to try to make it back to Florida by Thanksgiving. So the opportunity to attend college was awarded to me by South Carolina State University. It was South Carolina State College at that time. So everything that you see on my resume and all of my accomplishments in corporate American and otherwise ARE truly attributed to my education at South Carolina State. So I am honored to have an opportunity to serve. Also, I have been heavily involved. I have an honorary Doctorate of Law from South Carolina State that was given to me in 1992. And it was because I was instrumental at Xerox in giving South Carolina State over a million dollars. Over the years, I have also been involved in taking care of my alma mater by being heavily involved with the engineering program. I was chairman of the advisory board for about 12 years. In fact, when I stepped off, we were just in the throes of getting a nuclear engineering program. So when you look at my resume and you look at the things I have been able to accomplish, I attribute it all to South Carolina State. So I'm just honored for the chance to serve and continue to serve in the capacity of being a member of the board of trustees. You also know that I also worked there for three years before I retired, and so I'm very, very familiar with some of the holes, but I also understand the roles and responsibilities of a board of trustee's member.
I served on the board of trustees at Claflin for eight years and was instrumental in raising about $22 million for Claflin as the chairman of the capital campaign. So I think I bring both the business acumen as well as academic acumen to my alma mater.
Staff, is the paperwork in order? MS. CASTO: Yes, sir.
Questions or comments?
I want to go back to 2014. Has that Chapter 7 been resolved at this point?
Tell me if you have any ideas what we need to do to be moving in that direction so South Carolina State can actually give engineering degrees. Of course, these kids leave and go on to Clemson or someplace else.
When I came to South Carolina State in 1963, I was part of the engineering science program. So they flipped from science to technology because the program was very rigid. And when I graduated in 1970, two of us graduated. And so, as you well know, two people graduating it electrical engineering is not very good. So they changed the curriculum to make it more amenable. What they ended up doing when they went to technology, they really focused primarily on technology of the textile mills and that type of thing in the state of South Carolina. Well, you know, a lot of that has folded. And so, as a result, what I did as chairman of the engineering advisory board at South Carolina State, we went after -- so we lost electrical. We lost civil. We lost industrial. We lost mechanical. Now, I think right now we have nuclear and we have electrical. What we need to do is strengthen those programs, and the way you strengthen them is you strengthen them through science, through science and mathematics. You've got to really go back to Calculus I, II, III, and differential equations. So, in other words, you have to really strengthen those programs to make them science, engineering science. I think that with nuclear and electrical, I think it wouldn't be very much for us to get mechanical and industrial back, based on what I know.
And I haven't been there in a few years as far as managing and getting involved in the programs, but that's what I would suggest. Tell me how well you did, and tell me some issues in trying to raise money at the institution, especially private money, given the fact that I think you only get about 9 percent now from state funding, which, I think, will represent -- I'm going to ask some more questions about fundraising since you've got to experience some of that and where the board needs to go in terms of being able to raise private dollars. I think fundraising starts at the top. I think fundraising starts with the board. I'll go back to what Representative King asked, and I'll answer that question also. I'm very anxious to -- that was a very good question he asked.
Let me just say this. Fundraising starts at the top. It starts with the board of trustees, and it also starts with the president. It starts with the president. But again, you asked me what I did. Let me tell you some things I did at State. One of the things I did, I put on a traveling roadshow to alumni. I think you have to go in front of them. You have to step it up. You have to tell them -- and you lead by example. I have a history of giving to South Carolina State. My record speaks for itself. Evie and I continue to give. So anyway, what ended up happening, the traveling roadshow I think was very successful. I ended up -- I don't know whether you remember this or not, but we ended up with the benches on State's campus. I was able to sell 28 benches at $10,000, $280,000 just on benches all around the stadium. You see those benches around the stadium. I had that program going. I had the Club 1000. I raised $380,000 for the Club 1000. You remember, one of the football games let everybody line up with the shirts, with the white shirts with the -- I did a special emblem. And people are very proud of that. So we were able to raise $380,000 just by people wanting to wear that shirt with the special emblem on it. So it's things like that that I was able to implement. Then I decided that maybe at age 65, I said, Well, I'm done, and I retired. But still, there are so many things that we can do at South Carolina State to raise money.
And you also -- I remember you asking, Senator Scott, the question about the -- we need to have a capital campaign. I think at South Carolina State, we start thinking about where we are with the buildings and the infrastructure. We need to have a capital campaign, and I know how to do that. I'm not interested in doing it strictly from a policy and procedures standpoint, but I most certainly would like to get involved from that level to make sure those kinds of things happen.
Before you get into the capital campaign, you really need to have some ground seed money.
I'm happy to see there is somebody that will be on board or at least that's competing for a position to get on board who knows something about raising money, but there's a whole lot of other issues --
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye.
Thank you, sir.
Good morning, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? South Carolina State's important to the city of Orangeburg and also the state, but living right there, the economic impact it has on Orangeburg is enormous. Yes, I have a degree from South Carolina State, an education specialty degree, and I remember attending the University in Turner Hall. It was falling down as we attended classes, and I saw other buildings on campus that were closed up. And I said, This is not right. We've got to do something about it. And you look right next door to Claflin, and I said, Okay. It's private. But still, it's like going into Mexico from San Diego. It's just night and day.
So I think there's a lot of things that can be done to help South Carolina State. Personally, I don't think you all and the governor will bail out South Carolina State again if they get in that kind of trouble, so I think that would be a very important part of being on the board, to make sure we support the president and the faculty and staff, but also that we are responsible to you all and the governor and the citizens of South Carolina.
Tell me a little bit about a strategic plan that you would actually put together. And we just finished working through that, and we've got all these ideas about how we fix it, how we change it from looking like Mexico. Now, tell me what you would actually do on the ground to make this thing work. I think also, not just for South Carolina, but all universities nationwide, we've thrown out so much money, and the kids who are not completing the school, they don't have the discipline or the -- whatever -- maturity, I guess, in a lot of respects. And they build this student loan that goes with them. I think we need to look at programs and make sure that the kids are focused on whatever career fields they select and also, they don't drive up that student loan where they can't pay it back, and also look at the purpose of the loan, for getting an education. So I think the graduation rates need to be looked at and make sure the accreditation stays, that South Carolina State doesn't lose that. We've got to, of course, in addition to good recruiting, also recruit professors and staff that will support the institution. Those are some of the immediate things. Long range, of course, the infrastructure. My impression of South Carolina State University is that it's a patchwork type architectural design. It's nothing uniform. It looks like one year they had a bunch of money and they build this type of building. And I think that would help, looking at the overall facilities we can do because nowadays, there's so much competition out there for college kids. They've got online schools. They've got technical schools that are doing very, very well. And then the choices. You go to Morehouse or Howard or some of these other Universities, and they've got a lot more money, but I think that South Carolina State is important to the state as a historically black college. I've been down to Denmark, and they've got their issues. But again, I think there is hope for South Carolina State, and I want to be a part of trying to build that back up. Again, you've got to look at getting the student body up and focused on what they are there for. It's not a party school. They're getting an education. They don't have the money. The parents and grandparents are paying a lot into it, and they need to get a big bang for the buck.
Likewise, I think nowadays, a lot of schools have programs to help students. They're just not thrown out there anymore. I think the faculty and staff through mentor programs or whatever can help the students academically to achieve what they are going to do. And I think, too, South Carolina State's not the answer to all. Somebody who wants to go there is going there for particular reason, and hopefully it's a major that they're focusing on career-wise. I've always told students, for undergraduate degrees, you want to get your broad, general degree, and for your master's and doctorate, you gradually start to specialize. But I think getting a good, sound education will help them. The thought today is we're training people for jobs that aren't even available yet. We look at the cell phone industry. When we went to college, we had slide rules. Now, all these kids have got these cell phones that do everything now. Somebody had to invent that. And I think we need to provide an avenue for those students who have that drive to do something like that.
And again, I'm just picking at one little field, but there's a lot of them out there, and I think South Carolina attracts them. They don't know the basic stuff that we learned in our household when we grew up, to say, Thank you; Yes, sir; show up on time; how to do job interviews; how to just be polite, customer-service oriented to help these kids. I said, if you're going to work at McDonald's or somewhere, do the best you can. And I said, but if somebody hands their hard-earned money over, make sure you say, Thank you. You're a representative of that company. So that's some of the things we're looking at. In addition, with globalization, we're competing not just nationwide but against all those other countries for jobs. And I think that's true. We've got to have our people, our young folks engaged and not waste their time.
That's another thing I told them. I said, don't waste your time, guys. Get focused. Now, we want you to have a good time in high school and a good time in college, but you've got to stay focused. And it doesn't do any good to say you just attended college. You need to have it on your resume that you graduated from that college because the certificate is what everybody's looking at nowadays.
With the work that you do, I just want to see are there any issues with you being able to attend scheduled meetings or other activities that would be required from that standpoint?
I'm a former educator also, and I've noticed what you were talking about, the culture of young people from when I first started teaching, where they used to say, Yes, sir, or No, sir, or whatever, Mr. Whitmire. By the time I retired, that had disappeared. But I think a lot of it is, we've got to enforce it in them and let them know that this is the right way to do things. Obviously, I tell people, the only instruction book that the parent gets with them at the hospital is how to use the carseat. They're never taught how to be parents. And that's the problem we have in our society, especially with so many fragmented families or whatever you want to call it nowadays. And that's an issue we have to deal with every day. When I call a parent, I don't know who I'm talking to. Am I talking to the parent or grandparent, to a foster parent?
It's just the way our society is. It's not like it used to be 50 or 60 years ago.
And another thing I've noticed, I'm chair of the funding for education on the house side, and one thing we talked about with the Department of Education is, they're having a hard time keeping teachers past five years, but I don't think it's just teaching. It seems this new generation, they just go from one job to another. They don't have any --
How do you fix that? You just can't throw money at it. Money helps. But, again, attracting people to go to the rural areas, unless they're from there and have families there, it's hard. She said, Well, he didn't take the job because private industry hired him away at twice the salary. So it's hard to find, especially, male role models in education because they are going to go where the money is, unfortunately.
So anyway, thank you for what you're doing as far as career education and willingness to serve. Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye.
Thank you for your willingness to serve, sir.
For the record, if you would give us your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I too, I have three children and a granddaughter, and I do have a dog. I've been around a while, and I guess I've been involved with South Carolina State most of my life, even though I'm not a graduate. I've been familiar with it for a while. The last time I was on the campus was February 10th when they honored Dr. Benjamin Payton, whose sister was my girlfriend when we were at Morris College. So we've been family for a long time. And also, I'm a season ticket holder since 1990. So I've been involved and in and out of the campus, I guess, doing any number of things. For a while, we were -- when I was at the Department of Social Services, we worked with 1890 and some programs in getting some things done there.
We also had an opportunity to have some professors from South Carolina State do some research for us, and that was very gratifying. So I've been involved a while.
Staff, is his paperwork in order?
Mr. Richardson, you put in your paperwork that you serve on the Board of Pharmacy.
Everything else is in order.
Any other discussion? Thank you.
Thank you for your willingness to serve, Mr. Richardson.
Yes, please come forward, sir. Make sure your -- that it's burning green, the light next to the speaker.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? So as a graduate of South Carolina State University, this is one of the main reasons why I submitted my name in terms of the board of trustees. I have a love for the institution, because not only has it provided me with a great education and the ability to sustain myself professionally, but it was a place where I was able to hone in leadership skills that may not have been noticed previously in high school. One of the things about South Carolina State that is amazing is that they take in a population of students that other institutions may or may not be interested in, and they take these individuals who, metaphorically, are considered lumps of coal, and they turn them into diamonds that are able and ready to move into the professional phase.
And in thinking about the treatment of the institution as a whole and in terms of some of the infrastructure issues that exist, in terms of student enrollment being down, in terms of just the general oversight of the institution, I feel that I provide a unique insight on how to better engage students in the South Carolina context.
Staff, is the paperwork in order?
Ms. Johnson, on your personal data questionnaire, you said that you have defaulted on your student loans and that you are making payments to remove the default from your credit history. I would love to provide some context into that, and I think it really speaks to some of the infrastructure issues in terms of customer service that you are providing to a student. So in my matriculation through South Carolina State University, I incurred some student loan debt upon my departure. I actually spent some time in South Carolina as a teacher and got 5,000 invested in loan debt removed. I then decided to further my education, attending NYU and moving to New York. And that departure from South Carolina state to -- the state of South Carolina to the state of New York, there was a lot of just mail missing, just generally, in terms of correspondence in regards to student loan debt. Just for full disclosure, I also got all of my UPS mail forwarded to my new location. So it's really interesting how in communicating with South Carolina State University, I did not know that I had entered into default range until I was already in graduate school for a year and applied for student loan support in this area as well.
And so I was able to lift and move from default into a placement of payment currently. And that's through months and months of back-and-forth conversation with the institution and the loan officer. So there's some tricky thoughts that should go into that realm in terms of advocating for students and communicating their student loan obligations. Ms. Johnson, what is your address?
THE WITNESS: My current address is 1300 Long Creek Drive, Apartment 221, Columbia, South Carolina. My license still holds my parental address. I moved to Columbia within the last seven months from that address. Prior to that, I lived in Boston. So in moving back to South Carolina, I stayed in Sumter.
Recently within the last seven months, I moved to Columbia. But there is diversity within the black diaspora. So that's including international students. That is also including individuals from South Carolina that have a diversity beyond race, I would say. It's in terms of lifestyle, understanding, first-college graduates.
Thinking of diversity among skin color and thinking of diversity holistically. So in the holistic approach in diversity, South Carolina State University does have that. But in the movement toward investigating opportunities for more international students, investigating beyond the sporting areas -- because we do have a lot of international students that play nontraditional sports for people of color at the institution, but also thinking about international students in the academic space as well, bringing in scholarships and opportunities that way, we can increase and maintain the level of diversity that exists at South Carolina State University. There's a lot of rumors and miscommunication about the institution overall, and I think that we are in an interesting place where we can communicate what has been done at South Carolina State with going and moving forward in terms of just the student population making strides. Like most recently, we had a small population of students that are in the research space that were able to discuss their research internationally.
And so I think that there's room there; however, with it being an in-state institution, I have a preference for engaging those in South Carolina.
Am I not --
This is my last question to you: South Carolina Board of Trustees has predominantly in the past been an all African American board. What is your take on it being a diverse board? Do you feel that it should maintain being an all African American board?
Senator Alexander.
So I will make it a priority.
Ms. Davis. Glad to see you here today. I'm glad to see that we have some younger candidates as well. I think that's very encouraging. So thank you for your willingness to serve.
Given you are one of the younger candidates, I'm interested in understanding your viewpoint on South Carolina State expanding its use of online classes and perhaps bringing in additional students via online classes versus sort of the traditional college experience. What is your take on that? There is a history there. There is a richness there, and I think it's very important for students to definitely breathe in that air and be a part of that spirit that is South Carolina State University. So do I think that there is possibility there? Yes.
I think that there are certain programs that that would be more fitted for, but there are programs in which I think partnerships with other universities to expand the programming availability is really, really important to investigate first and foremost before, in my mind.
So that's why I'm wondering with South Carolina State in particular if it's a good interim step, you know, until we have the capital programs in place to bring the buildings up to where they need to be -- No other discussion? We'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you so much for your willingness to serve.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I am the daughter and mother of South Carolina State students, as well as aunt, grandparent, godmother, cousin, and above a whole lot of other things, I believe in the institution as a whole. That's what I heard all my life, that you need to go to South Carolina State University.
I also believe that I bring a lot of assets to the position of board of trustees by serving on a number of boards that I've held prior to now. I think the institution as a whole is viable for the community, and I see that in the future. It could possibly grow and become one of the greatest assets that we have as an HBCU in South Carolina.
Staff, is her paperwork in order?
Senator Alexander.
Senator Scott. We had a lot of things going at that time. I have seen the city growth. We built a new city hall at that time. I went on to serve as a member of the National Legal of Cities Board of Directors, and I was elected by my peers from across the United States. And that within itself was public policy, and even though we didn't have to do fundraising, per se, the monies were given to us from sponsorship from the high-end corporations. I know that as a member of the board that you should be able to sow a seed into the institution so that people can see that you are willing to not only serve, but to give to the institution. And fundraising is very, very important for the institution as well as all of the other monies that's coming from the state.
The school should be able to sustain itself with the different directions and different things going on. I don't see that that's an impossibility when you have responsibilities and collaboration with communities and their organizations. It can be done. One thing I can say publicly, you have never allowed disabilities or anything else to stop you.
At the appropriate point in time, I vote for a favorable report. Seconded. Any other discussion? Hearing none, all in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you so much for your service. Oh. They're coming? Okay. Good afternoon, sir.
For the record, if you would give us your full name, sir. Honorable Peeler and distinguished members of the South Carolina Trustee Screening Committee, I am honored and grateful for an opportunity for consideration of my expertise for such a historical institution. The reason for selecting Seat Number 11, the principles that's based upon the tension of a door is 7 at the top, 11 at the bottom. Throughout my career, I've always started at the bottom, and that has been my guiding principle. You will find no other person on the question of commitment, of courage, competency, and candor for consideration of South Carolina State University; that I'll become a champion for this institution for growth and change, sir.
Thank you.
Mr. Friday, on your personal data questionnaire, number 19, I couldn't read your handwriting exactly. You said this was a failure to move your car -- In 1985, '86, I was in Birmingham. I was involved in an accident. The driver hit my car, and he turned his car around. I went through a lawsuit because of this. Well, I had just came to Birmingham. And while my sister was there, she had gotten hit in her car. Alabama is a no-fault state. So I ran from my apartment down to the car, and I wanted to take pictures, because that was something I never want to relive again, being sued when somebody was at fault. And when I got there, I didn't have a camera. They had already taken my sister and nephew to the emergency room in Birmingham. When I got there, I asked the deputy sheriff did they have a camera I could use, something to take some pictures, and explained to him -- and he said no. And then I turned around. I said, well, let me look in the car to see if I've got a camera. So I turn around and open the door to my car. I guess from now thinking, 20 years later and the way that police officers think, I didn't think that way. I was in the military. I was a first sergeant. I mean, you know, you try to get things done and try to make sure that you don't relive another moment. The next thing I know, the guy said, "I'm going to charge you for failure to move the car."
And I was like, "Okay." I said, you know, Lord, this is sad that I didn't have pictures of the first incident, but the good Lord got me through it. But I wanted to make sure that when my insurance company had to deal with this issue, I had pictures, because of learning that a lot of pictures is worth a thousand words. THE WITNESS: So, unfortunately, I went down a path. You know, that's why I said that it's -- it's regrettable I had to deal with and go this way, ma'am, and panel, because, in fact, it was a lesson learned that I was trying -- you know, it was taught to always protect ourselves, and this kind of was a sad situation, an it's kind of hurt my heart. And as a matter of fact, I don't even -- today, if something happens, I don't even -- if I go to an event and I see people taking pictures, I don't pull my phone out because you see so many things and just lesson learned. That's what happened, ma'am. It's a sad situation. I mean, the judge told me -- I paid the fine and moved on, because life goes on, ma'am. At the end of the day, it wasn't worth it anymore. It just was a bad mistake.
And he kind of thought, you know, the cop might have been a little aggressive.
Senator Alexander.
Good afternoon.
Your responsibilities now in the work that you do, is there anything that would preclude you from being an active member of the board or other responsibilities that you may be called upon?
So I started to develop -- I developed a farming business called Candy Friday Farms. Candy is my nickname. South Carolina is one of the largest farming industries in the state (sic). And the challenges that when I looked at South Carolina State, historically what it was designed for, there is a lot of benefit that we can bring back. Because in the 2014 Farm Bill, President Obama stated that they wanted to get two things: they wanted to get veterans and they wanted African Americans back into farming, which we are a minority in the farming world today. And my encouragement is that South Carolina State can come back to that organization of helping, as I'm answering one of your questions about that program. Agricultural, that's where South Carolina State was, the start.
So Candy Friday Farming is a farming business that's thriving. We're getting ready to plant corn in a week. Seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your hand.
Thank you, sir.
Sir, is there anything else I have to do after this?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? My name is Doris Helms, and I'm currently on the interim board of trustees at South Carolina State University. I have enjoyed being able to use the experience and knowledge I have from 40 years in higher education to help the university over the last two and a half years. I also have quite a few connections, both at the national level and the state level, and I have also been pleased to be able to use those to help the university.
It is a historic university. It's an important university in this state. It has a very loyal, unbelievably loyal faculty, staff, and alumni and, you know, a student body that deserves an excellent education. They will be a large part of our workforce coming forward, and I think it's really important that we bring this HBCU, this 1890 HBCU, back to prominence in our state.
Senator Scott.
Tell me some of the things that you observed that we need to be doing to move this institution forward, now that you've had three years at the institution. I think the first thing that we noticed was that there was a lack of business practices and a lack of accountability, and, certainly, those were the two things that had to be fixed immediately. They led to some of the financial problems that the university had. Obviously, the financial problems were something that needed to be fixed. Academically SACS had reaccredited it, at least on a positive level. The academic areas, the trouble they were in were financial and governance issues. So those needed to be fixed. I think that we've come a long way. We, for the first time, have a positive UNAEP thanks to the legislature, thanks to forgiveness to parts of the loan, and thanks to working hard to increase the number of students. As you well know, the number of students were going down, down, down, down, down, and at the time we came in at 2015, it was in the lowest number of students that they had in ten years. And it takes a while to pull that back, because you had a sophomore-, junior-, and senior-level class that were very small, and all of a sudden you put in a bunch of freshmen, but it takes a long time for those to increase. Absolutely increasing the number of students has to happen in order for the university to be viable. So that's another area that we're working on. Vision. What is this university? That was one of my first questions. Who is South Carolina State? What is your vision for the future? And without a strong vision, I don't think that you can get a strategic plan that's going to move this institution forward. We're working on that now. We had a new vision. It's transformation through collaboration.
I've heard all the questions about diversity, so I'll address that. One of the reasons I'm excited about that vision --
What led to the board making that decision, to elect a member of the board as the president rather than an interim president and then doing a national search? We went into financial exigency, which is not easy. We ended up releasing a lot of faculty and staff, which is hard to do if you've been at a university and you know the faculty and staff. So we actually formed a search committee, and I was chair of the search committee. We started looking at what the possibilities were for going out and getting a search firm because we needed a strong president. A search firm is going to cost you quite a bit of money. The university had no money left in its foundation, mainly because of the payoff to the president that was released. So there was no money. We had everyone on furlough for 30 days. You had an amount of salaried employees at 195,000, which is what the state would provide with no foundation money to augment that. And we all looked at each other and said, You know what? I'm not sure we can invite in here at a national level somebody who is willing to come to a university that's going to be or has been on probation for two years. It's not sure whether it's going to be accredited, lots of negative press in the newspaper about whether we're going to close the university or not. There was a lot of reasons to say you're not going to get the quality of the candidate that you really want. So we disbanded the committee. And we said, You know, we already have two people who have been working tirelessly for the university, weekly, going to the university. And that was Charles Way and James Clark. James was passionate about what he was doing. He had the business sense. He was a retired vice president of AT&T, and he wanted to do this. He knew the financials of the university, and that was the biggest thing that we needed, plus he knew business practices.
So we decided to appoint him, not as interim, but to give him the full power of a president. And we put him in there for a four-year term with the idea that at the end of that, we would do a national search, and he could apply. And I'm not questioning his work. I'm not questioning his integrity. I just know the board chooses to do that. I'm going to work with that person.
Don't you think y'all took a real big gamble doing that, that he could have really tumbled over on the board?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. King.
And, Ms. Helms, you know I have a couple of questions, but I actually have an additional question for you because you are a present board member.
My question: Will you please tell me about what you think in reference to diversity at South Carolina State? So I think one of the ways that we can get to this is by collaborating. We need to open the eyes, as some of the earlier people said, of the students about what's out there. Being able to put together programs with Clemson University, with the University of South Carolina, and with other universities with the various businesses and industries in the state, internships, get the students moving out of the university and getting them familiar with other kinds of environments, I think will begin to increase their knowledge of how to work in a diverse environment.
And I hope that it's not just one way. Collaborating does not mean you go one direction. I would hope that we start bringing faculty and students from Clemson, from USC, back down into South Carolina State for some unique programs that we can put in that could draw them in.
I think that it is important for board members to give back, and I think that I do have the ability to give and will be doing that now that I feel that the university is in good stead. And so I do thank you all for that short notice and allowing me to speak with you all in reference to the issue I had with South Carolina State.
Thank you. Ms. Helms, thank you so much for serving on the board in this volunteer situation that you've dealt with over the last three years and, also, your willingness to continue to serve. I know this is an uncomfortable conversation for us to have, but it's one that we've got to have. When Mr. Way left, he was quoted in a paper that "nobody wants to be a part of that mud hole." It's not a mud hole, but let me tell you where we are. It's quicksand. It's quicksand. The more you will wiggle, the more you sink. The more you yell, the more you sink. We could throw money at it, and you would continue to sink. You must have a lifeline to survive. You've seen that with your past experiences. You've been on there three years. You said the future looks -- do you think the future is bright at South Carolina State, or what do you think? Here's where I'm headed -- and you probably heard it -- the vet school. I've been trying to nudge Clemson and haven't gotten very far. The cost, the need, so forth. I personally think we need a vet school in South Carolina.
I think South Carolina State desperately needs a lifeline. I think -- and I think Senator Verdin can speak to this one way or the other on the need for a vet school in South Carolina. Do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree with your experiences? Do you think that would help?
My daughter is a large animal surgeon, and my son-in-law is a small animal surgeon. So cats, dogs, horses, cows. Everything.
(Senator Alexander enters the room.) Tuskegee right now has a vet school that is struggling, as a matter of fact. I think that there would be a way to begin to build the possibilities of other universities to start into a veterinary direction. We don't have the faculty down at S.C. State at this point. You know that it's very costly to build a vet school, and right now I'm not sure that that is the proper lifeline. I think that they are moving in a technology and engineering direction. I didn't come from a school where engineering is very big. I know that trying to build something like that could really bankrupt them. So trying to build engineering by collaborating with USC and Clemson will let them begin to build their programs before they have to have their own faculty to sustain those programs.
And where our state is going right now, I think the technology and the engineering areas are extremely important in terms of bringing new kids into the university. That's what they're interested in. As much as I would love to see a vet school, I'm not sure that unless someone wants to put $80 million into building a vet school that you're going to be able to do that at S.C. State. We have bigger problems, I think, to even out before we get there. They'll have opportunities to be out in internships. They'll have opportunities to do research at some of the major research universities. Only 7 percent of the students right now at S.C. State are involved in any kind of research, and I think getting the undergraduates to -- someone earlier talked about work on campus. Work on the problems on campus and getting them involved in undergraduate research and reaching out.
We need to market that. We need to make sure that students know that when they come to S.C. State, we are opening doors and transforming their lives. So enrollment is going to take unique programs. It's going to take a lot of collaboration of other institutions until we get ourselves --
And then the third one is what I said earlier, business and accountability. And all three of those -- the business practices that are associated with the budget, the business practices that are associated with commissions, and financial aid, all three of those are linked together.
But I think that it is a historic institution. It serves a population of students that are not served by the other institutions in the state, and I think it would be a very big mistake to shut the doors of the institution.
I've asked you a disproportionate share of the questions because you're an incumbent, a reelected incumbent just the same, and I appreciate your willingness to offer again. We had to open up, as you know --
I actually was in the room for the meeting that you facilitated with Sheila Allen --
And, Senator from Oconee, you might have been in that meeting too. I think we could have extended the conversation further had Dean Allen not come in and dropped a $50 million price tag on Senator Leatherman.
But anyway, I agree with both you and Senator Peeler. I think now since they've built their own school --
Senator Scott. I really appreciate your observation a few minutes ago, but just a couple of things I want to share.
And I don't know how much you really know, Dr. Helms, about the history of the institution, about funding here at the General Assembly. When I came to this General Assembly in 1991, South Carolina State College probably had 70- or $80 million in deferred maintenance. When I listened to you answer the question, even if you got the extra 6- or 700 students, you have to have a place to put them. If it's not kept up with deferred maintenance, and you've got a major hall, Truth Hall, that's closed. During that time period, Mr. Chairman, we cut funding for State Institution from 17 percent to 6.8 percent. A 10 percent-plus cut to a small institution who is already struggling with the deferred maintenance is like tying the hand behind the back and then telling you that you can compete. And then we did the lottery in 2001, 2002. And two major institutions, we gave them $200 million and allowed them over an 8- to 10-year period of time to match it. So we gave them an infusion of about $400 million, still ignoring South Carolina State College and its deferred maintenance. So really and truly when I hear somebody talk about State College, how long we need to support them, we really have not done right by them. And in the end, all of it catches up. I know that when you begin to look at the financial stability, it's moving money from one program to another program, trying to keep the doors open. And so until we really begin to take the institution serious, what its role is and what it does to help the state, we're going to continue to lag behind in teacher recruitment. It was a teachers' school. And you don't turn that many teachers out anymore because you don't give them the extra money to do it. So I think if we -- and I think you said something that really sparked an interest. When they bring these issues to the General Assembly and they ask for funding, especially on the capital side, we actually fund it. When they talk about $80 million to do something else, they need $80 million just to fix the current situation. I think it's a different institution, and I think the institution will do us proud. I appreciate your willingness to serve.
And if it's the appropriate time --
Any further discussion?
I wanted to ask you this because I think you could probably enlighten us a little more with the students. And when we talked earlier about students repaying their loans, can you -- because my colleague asked. She was like, "I was surprised that that actually affects the accreditation."
So yes, it can very much affect your credibility.
Good morning, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? About three months ago, I saw a good friend of mine. I was riding around in the community, and he said, Dwayne, did you hear about South Carolina State? And I said to myself in my mind, from what I've heard about South Carolina State so much, this can't be good news. But he said, well, you know, they can't find anyone to serve on the board of trustees of the University. It was in the Post and Courier. And I said, well, that don't sound right. You mean to tell me nobody's interested in serving? They can't find anyone? And he said, Yeah. And he said, well, you know what? You would be a good candidate. Why don't you apply? And I thought about it, and I said, well, you know, I wouldn't be an attorney today had it not been for South Carolina State and my undergraduate degree in English education. And so I emailed the reporter who wrote the article and inquired how they'd gotten the information, and they gave me the information to Senator Peeler's office. And so that's how I got here, because my heart was, I want to serve, to do what I can, to take the skills that I've learned to help the University. And so I'm excited when I saw the list from Julie that there was a lot of candidates on there. So I said to myself, well, that's a great thing. And so there is interest that people do want to serve.
And so that article, though in the beginning, it may have seemed like it was something negative, it's actually something positive because I think it's brought people who want to see the University improve itself, and I am one of them. And so I'm thankful for the opportunity to be here, to do whatever I can to help the university that I got my start at. Thank you.
Staff, is the paperwork in order?
Questions? Tell me a little bit about how you feel about serving on the board and what you actually bring to the board to make a difference. And let me just kind of qualify something. We're looking at all the candidates. It doesn't matter which race, where they come from. We're looking at some of the best qualified candidates we can. We're still in the process. You have to run to get elected for this job. And looking at folks' qualification, I notice a number of attorneys now who want to serve, which is a good thing too. But the question is about having the time to serve as well if you've got board meetings and not really being able to put a long-range plan.
But what do you think you actually bring to the table or things that you see as a '94 graduate of the institution that you think would change and make the school a better institution? It wasn't the faculty or the staff of the school where the issues were. It was mostly in the financial aid department where I would hear my friends say they couldn't get their paperwork together or they would try to get a class and they couldn't get into class in order to graduate. They were treated, mistreated in the bursar's office. And so to me, the first thing that would need to be done in order to raise more money for the school would be to have the school just say, We apologize for how we treated you during that time period.
I think that would just open the flood gates of donations from 1990 on because people were just treated -- not the professors. There were great professors, great staff, the people who took care of the school, the grounds. All of that was great. But when you went to try to get your financial aid and things together, that's where the issues were. And so I would start there, with just something from the school board to the alumni from 1990 on, just saying -- But in terms of the skills that I would bring, I've been in private practice as an attorney for the last five years, and I know how to reduce your overhead and increase your revenue. We've got to have more coming in than you have going out. And so, I would look at where the school is spending money, how the school is spending money, and cut costs and increase revenue. And sometimes you have to make the tough decisions in order to make that happen.
But at the end of the day, to me, it is very disheartening to know the school had to borrow money from this legislator in order to continue to keep the doors open. That's hurtful. That's shameful that that would have to happen. And it should not happen again. And if I were on the board of trustees, I would do everything that I could to make sure that we would never be in the red again. An example of that is those who are in the Pee Dee, a lot of them tend to go to Francis Marion because it's less expensive to travel, and some kids go home every day.
Looking at costs of those students, tell me what you would do. It's easy to say, I'm going to bring them in. It's another thing to create a plan where you're actually out there actively recruiting students to come to the institution. There's nothing wrong with diversity. I believe in diversity. I think it's great. But I do think that we should be recruiting the best and the brightest African-American students from the high schools throughout the state of South Carolina. Also, in the marketing materials that I've seen from South Carolina state, again, I'm not saying we can't do diversity, but we have to make sure that we are trying to recruit the best and the brightest African -- because it's a historically black college and university. And from what I've noticed, there's a big international trend of students at the school. That's good, but I would cap that amount of international students to a certain number for the reason that you want to keep the school historically African American. That's the purpose of the school.
And also, in the marketing, you need to market and have people who are African Americans in your marketing material because if that's who you're marketing to, then that's who you go after. And then, if others want to participate, that's fine, but your core needs to be going after the students from which the University was founded. So that's what I would do.
You have to create a pool of funding in order to give these best and brightest kids -- kids go to money. That's what they do. They follow the money. So if you're going to get the best and brightest, a lot of these kids are first-generation kids who are the first in their family to go to college. And so they don't have any money. They're not trying to load up on student loans. Tell me how we create this pool of funding so the best and brightest get the funding to go to this institution. That's the responsibility of the board of trustees. You heard a few minutes ago, a gentleman talked about institutional advancement. The buck stops with the board of trustees to curate the private donations that come in and scholarships. The president, in most cases, if they really understand institutional advancement, they spend all their time on the road, actually trying to bring that kind of money in. It's not just the alumni association. It's a bigger, bigger deal than that.
I really thank you. Good answers.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I really appreciate your answer in reference to the culture of some of the employees there at South Carolina State. I've made phone calls, and before they knew that I was a representative on the other end, they were very rude. So that is part of the culture there. So if I get it, I know the students are getting it. So I appreciate you just being honest about that. Versus me calling another institution, the professionalism is not there.
You spoke about international students. Would you be surprised to know that when I attended Morehouse -- and that's the experiences that I have -- that we had a large number of international students? I had a question a few weeks ago of board members, and you alluded to the face of the marketing material that is set forth.
The present board or the president or whoever is at South Carolina State, they hired a lobbying firm at South Carolina State. Would you be surprised to know that that lobbying firm, which is a Caucasian lobbying firm, had opportunities to have internships that they would offer, and not one South Carolina State student was offered an internship? And going, again, back to the marketing material, if you are -- my mom used to tell me, if you're going to want a big fish, then you've got to have a big hook, and if you have a small hook, trying to catch a big fish, it's going to break the line.
So whatever we're trying to attract, we have to use the right bait in order to get what we want, and what we want is the best and the brightest African-American students at South Carolina State. I feel that when you look at HBCUs across the country, and you think of Spelman, Morehouse, Howard, Hampton, South Carolina State, you think of some of the most -- the brightest of the bright of the African-American community attend those institutions, and at those institutions, you have a very diverse faculty.
And so I would encourage, if you are appointed, that you would make sure that we have the diversity when it comes to the faculty. I'm encouraged to see the diversity of the folk that are offering themselves to be on the board of trustees, from our young folk to white and black people here in South Carolina, across the state, offering to be on the board of trustees at South Carolina State because I believe the only way that that institution is going to be successful is through diversity. And welcome, Mr. Buckner. When we discussed a few years ago, the senate and the house, about South Carolina's financial problems, one of the major issues was declining enrollment. I forgot how many they went down, but it was considerable. Of course, that money is not coming into the school.
What would you do to encourage or promote South Carolina State as a destination for young people? And then, once that's resolved, then the second issue is going to be, again, attracting the best and the brightest. And you can do that by marketing. For example, again, I came here because of an article in the newspaper that said nobody wanted to serve on the board of trustees of South Carolina State. They couldn't find anybody to serve. We see that there are a lot of applicants today. Is there an article being written right now that's being published that says, Flood of applicants for trustee positions at South Carolina State University? I haven't seen that article.
But those are the type of articles that the school can write and put out there that will be more positive, showing the school in a positive light instead of a negative. And once you do that and, again, work within the local alumni associations to promote the school, go to the high school fairs and participate in attracting students, you will see the enrollment increase.
What I mean by that is, when I went there, there were opportunities for spiritual enrichment. You could find places to worship, and a lot of the students were focused on their academics, and they had that avenue. The school promoted that. Now, I don't think that that's happening as much as before. So that element has to come back to the school. So we want to see the school improve, and it can because the tradition and the history of the school says this is the place that you go when you want the best and the brightest African-American students. And I think that's where we need to be. And one last thing I'll say before I defer. When I went to South Carolina State, Claflin, next door, it was "Laugh-In" (phonetic) College because the C used to be hanging down off the side of the sign. It was Laugh-In College. Today, it is Clauflin (phonetic) College, and South Carolina State is almost the exact opposite of where Claflin was several years ago. So what happened at Claflin, the same thing can happen here at South Carolina State and all the other Historically Black Colleges and Universities. We've just got to find the correct business model that works. And what works is more coming in than you have going out.
And you can have all the money, but if you're mismanaging the money, which is another issue, then people are not going to be confident in putting their money in a place that's not being managed properly. It doesn't matter if it's South Carolina State or the South Carolina General Assembly. Just like our Chairman offered at the beginning of this meeting -- you might not have been here, but it was, God help us all, in a prayer.
And I appreciate the fact that we can do that, especially when -- I've just finishing getting my fourth kid through college, and I'm telling you, I invest 18 years in them, and it still is a Herculean challenge, and they hit the wall, and good things usually happen because they realize, Hey. God's not dead. He's going to help us all. Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye.
Thank you, sir, for your willingness to serve.
For the record, if you would, give us your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Okay. Would you like to make a brief statement? Like Representative King said earlier, I go to a church in Orangeburg, First Baptist Church. And I came up to South Carolina ten years ago. I used to live in Orange Park, Florida, and I worked for a major healthcare staffing agency as a staffing manager down there. And my brother invited me to this church when I came up here. And this pastor, Reverend Songer, that also came up from Georgia -- he was an interim pastor -- he always held up his hand with a check when it was time to make the offering, and he would say, I trust you made out your check. And it consistently reminded everyone to bring some money to church. And I know we're about to talk about this, but I think that at some point, sometimes we become complacent, no matter who we are or where we are, and I think that this university has kind of become complacent on funding revenue, and recruiting and retention.
Thank you.
Can you tell me what years you did your AS degree?
Where did you get those figures from?
I did go to the university site, but it's all broken down, and it's a little bit confusing.
And you visited the campus. I feel that I have a few very meaningful leadership skills, not that I would take advantage of that, but I would try to bring everyone closer together.
I think that the budget is still in the red. I think that working on recruiting and retention and also looking at funding, like we said, before alumni, that sort of thing, we can bring the school back in a more positive light.
And good afternoon, sir.
A couple of things. I take it with your work, would there be anything that would preclude you from being able to be engaged in timeliness at meetings and other responsibilities?
You have a fine with the ethics -- can you explain that?
I took that stuff vary seriously when I was filling it out. It was a one hundred dollar infraction for running for city council and closing the ethics portal, and it was another hundred dollars for the County. I was in the Philippines, came back late, and didn't close it out proper. But I appealed, and it was reduced to $100, and I wrote the check for a hundred.
What year -- I noticed you didn't put year of graduation. Maybe somebody asked that. Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye. The ayes have it.
Thank you, sir, for your willingness to serve.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
I'm here because I read that same article, and nobody wanted to jump in the "mud hole", and I've been marching to the sound of the guns for my entire adult career of public service. I said, This is a job for me. No one else wants it. This is where I need to be because I have the experience, the leadership, the credibility, the energy, and the passion to do this job. So that's why I'm here.
Is the paperwork in order?
I'm a skilled communicator. I bring my credibility, my core values, my experience as a teacher, an educator. I taught in college. And I bring my best passion. And I'm results driven. I want to see this school succeed. I've talked to the students. I've talked to the faculty. It's a great place. It's a rich heritage. It doesn't deserve to be where it is today.
And good afternoon, sir.
A couple of things. It lists on here that you're the president of the company. What kind of work is your company?
Also, I just want some clarification one of the questions. It says, about filing state and federal income taxes for the past five years, you say no. I would assume that is the state income tax.
Thank you, sir. I just wanted that for the record. Thank you. South Carolina State -- one of the strongest parts of the school is its rich heritage as a historic black university. I also think that's one of the things that actually gets in its way sometimes. There needs to be diversity of faculty. There needs to be diversity of student body because that's the way the real world works, and if you're not exposed to it, then you're not exposed to the way the real world works. But that diversity, on the rankings nationally, the school's just a little bit below where the national average is. But it shouldn't lose sight of its mission as a historical black university. That's important. That's critical to its core current value, its core being.
So I'm totally in favor of diversity, both faculty and students, to include international students, because they bring lots of money, usually.
What is the desire of the Committee? Any other questions? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
THE MEMBERS: Aye. The ayes have it.
Thank you, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I've had the pleasure and honor of serving on the interim board of trustees for the last two-and-a-half years. And same thing. I did not know the details of the history of South Carolina State University, so when I delved into it and realized it had been created by the Morrill Act in 1890 as a land grant university, I didn't know that. I knew Clemson -- everybody knows Clemson's a land grant school, but I didn't know SC State was. And the great thing that I've seen since I've been on the interim board is that we're trying to instill better business practices and accountability because when we got there, they weren't balancing the budget, and they didn't have accreditation. But we have been able to balance the budget. We have gotten the accreditation straightened out, although we'll have continuing accreditation issues going forward, like every university does. So going forward, I feel like the school's in good shape. Enrollment's up. But I truly feel like they need something exciting going forward, I think, to show that the school is on good footing going forward. I'd love to see a new student center there. We also have Truth, which is the largest building, tallest building in Orangeburg County, that we're not even using, that just needs to be revamped and redone. And I really feel like those two things are important. Now, whether the Legislature can do that or whether the -- it doesn't look like there's going to be a bond issuance. I'm a commercial real estate attorney. I do a lot of development work. I know there's a lot of private partnerships, private/public partnerships such as 650 Lincoln, which is down here at the University. I just feel like that we need to start looking into those areas because if we could get those things at South Carolina State so that when families come to tour the school and they're all excited about the new student center -- and the student center they have now is not even 2,000 square feet or something. I mean, for 2900 students, that's not even a student center. It's just a room almost.
So that's kind of where we are. I'm very excited about where the University is. I feel like it's on good footing, but it's going to take a lot more hard work, which is why I've decided to continue to try to be elected to continue to serve so that I can continue to work towards getting the school going forward. And thank you for your service on the board there at South Carolina State. As a board member, what have you done to communicate the issues of South Carolina State to the General Assembly? While I appreciate you being a member on the South Carolina State board, it would be very helpful that present board members that are there presently would be a voice here to the General Assembly and let us know what the issues are.
What have you done? So to be honest, a great deal of our work was trying to get things -- I remember walking in that first day, and they presented a budget that was $29 million in the red. So a lot of our work in the two-and-a-half years has been getting the balanced budget, getting the accreditation, hiring a new president, and getting a lot of those things turned around, as Mr. Way had said, to try to get the dots out of the ditch, which is his favorite saying.
So I have talked to a few people that I know that are in the Legislator, but I haven't made any major push to actually sit down and talk to my concerns about the University because I kind of felt like once we kind of got things on firm footing, then that would -- we could go forward. So it's kind of hard to talk about where you want to see the University go when you were worried about whether the University was going to go at all.
While you all have done an amazing job, as well as this Legislature, in keeping the doors open at South Carolina State, I think you all missed a mark in the history of South Carolina State by not appointing someone who could come in day one with that type of experience.
And so what would you do as a board member to make sure that you all hired someone -- at least, I'm interested, as a legislator in the state, in seeing someone else as the president who is going to -- because when I go back into my district, which is heavily African American, which is heavily South Carolina State graduates, and I'm getting fussed at, I want to ensure that that school is still open, and I don't want my colleagues and I to be the ones who have to carry the brunt of that when we have hired you all --
But I want to know what you think about having someone in place that can also fundraise. I understand that Dr. Clark does an amazing job on the day-to-day operations, but I'm really interested in money coming and being there at the institution, and I think you all need to have someone there in that position. But we were looking at a lot of negative press. And so there were some early overtures to see if there were people interested in. We didn't have a whole lot of people, at least initially. And then it was all concept of, We have no money. We're going to pay $195,000 for this position with -- unlike major universities where you've got a huge alumni association and endowments and things where you can supplement that income, we didn't feel like we had that at this point.
And we also just -- there was just no way to pay for the presidential search itself. I mean, we as a board had agreed to not take a dime for -- I think we had, like, a $250,000 budget to pay for parties for the board and reimbursement for hotels and even just reimbursement for mileage, just driving around --
So James Clark has been at this for less than two years, and I don't think he's really had the opportunity to try to show that he can do that, getting back to what I said before, instituting better business practices and accountability, which is what James has done, come in as a former executive at AT&T and some other big companies, has come in and instituted those business practices. He gives each one of his people a card that shows you're red, green, yellow, almost like --
And that is my question. What would you do to ensure that you all hired someone that can also fundraise? But I think James is still early enough on that I want to give him the chance to show that he can do that fundraising. If he doesn't -- I mean, I'm going to be on for another two-and-a-half to three years. If he doesn't do that, I have no problem with moving on and finding someone that can do that.
My concern, again, is whether we have the money to hire somebody that's going to -- because if you're good at fundraising, you're going to be an expensive person to hire. I just don't know that we'll have the money to hire that person. So I'm willing to give James a little bit more time to show that he has the prowess to do that.
There are other HBCUs that are not private that -- they follow the mark -- Thank you for your willingness to serve.
I think when we brought an interim board on, the intent was for the interim board after 36 months to be gone. You're probably about the second or third to come up here and say you did not have the money to do a search for president. But believe it or not, there are some online companies now for about $5,000 or $6,000. You put your information out there, and they send the information in. We just finished the process at another private school. We had about a hundred applicants who actually sent in. We did an in-house rubric, and they filled the rubric, and we interviewed candidates.
So I don't quite buy into that process. I'm not taking anything away from Mr. Clark, but I've got issues with that particular answer when that answer keeps coming on this desk when I know that's not the way this thing actually works. What gives me great concerns, if we sent you all to serve for 36 months, why was there an urgency to hire a new president when you could have -- if you didn't like the old president -- which less than 30 days later was employed at another university -- if you didn't like that president, why didn't you hire an interim president, giving the new board the opportunity to hire a president? And of course, Mr. Clark still could have gotten it, could have gone through the process and would have gotten -- may have gotten elected president or may not. We don't know because that process did not work.
Would you care to elaborate on that? Because I've heard it over and over again -- So what we did was, we got through that, and then we made -- we had already been talking behind the scenes that we were going to look to hire another president. We started looking at having a presidential search. And in the meantime, Mr. Way and Mr. Clark were spending an inordinate amount of time in Orangeburg, working with the University, unlike me. I was working as best I could, but I have a law practice. So Mr. Clark was doing a great job with working with balancing the budget and all that. So in discussions, it came up that he might be interested in doing it. And so with his background as an executive, we felt like that he would be someone we should consider.
And then when he decided that he wanted to do it, he went through all the interview process, and we felt like he was qualified to handle the job.
There were people, including Mr. Clark and Mr. Way, who were working behind the scenes a lot more hours than I feel like a regular board member would serve, volunteering their time. Because they were retired executives, they were willing to put the time in.
So, again, I'm not the expert on hiring in academia, but we made a decision that Mr. Clark was -- we were very excited about him. He was very excited about -- and had been working with all the people, knew all of the people at the University, and we felt like he was a very good choice. And I appreciate you being here today and responding to the questions.
Since your service on the board, how would you qualify your service as far as being able to attend the meetings and other responsibilities from that standpoint? What percentage range have you been from that standpoint?
I no longer do much litigation. I'm a transactional lawyer, so I can schedule when my closings or my meetings are and that kind of thing. So I always have marked off when all the meetings are and when my committee meetings are. So I've never missed a meeting. Any other discussion?
Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, say aye. The ayes have it.
Thank you, sir.
We saved the best for last, Mr. Allen, do you think?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? So as you know, my name is Lavon Herschel Allen and I got my Bachelor's in Business Administration with an emphasis in management at Charleston Southern University. I then got my Master's in Business Administration from South Carolina State University with an emphasis in entrepreneurship. And I have also worked with the Small Business Development Center. And since then, I compete in track and field professionally, and I also like to assist with the sports at South Carolina State University. And I do give back both financially and with my time.
And anything else is: What do you guys want to know?
If you don't have a license, how do you get from Point A to Point B? How did you get here?
Senator Scott.
So, for example, we talk about as a man previously stated, sometimes teachers might be getting a certain salary and the enrollment starts to decline. Well, I would like to question where are the efforts and what are the efforts going into increasing the enrollment? And are they working? Over 100 years, this university should be in a much more progressive state than it is in now.
I also am being, with the business program, I'm familiar with the business professors. And they look at it from, of course, a business perspective, the goings-on of the university. And I also was a part of the student ambassador program while I was there. So I was involved in many other ways aside from just athletically. But I do like to participate.
Of course due to circumstances, we weren't able to get them a loan, but working with them showed -- just their interest. I didn't even reach out to them; they reached out to me. That already exposed me to know that there are people who want to come. I just would the love to provide a way to allow them to be able to do so. One thing I noticed here, you're unopposed. When we report you out, you're going to be going on the Board. You're going to be a role model for younger people. Your driving record needs to improve, as you well know. So I hope that you will kind of watch it from now on when you do get your license back because it doesn't look good to younger people when they hear about people driving this bad. Obviously you can run fast, but you probably don't need to drive so fast.
Anyway, I wish you luck on the Board. Thank you for your willingness to serve.
I see from your paperwork that you're self-employed.
And, Mr. Allen, first of all, I appreciate you, your willingness to serve. Also your interest in staying in South Carolina. I see that you are a native of Queens, New York.
My question to you would be: What would be your giving financially to the institution? What would you give? Would you be willing to give financially to the institution if placed on the Board? And so that we are fair to all candidates that come before us and we don't show favoritism to anyone, but there are some items that our staff has asked for that we need to have cleared up. And it's not just you. And I know you came in a little later. You came in at your appointed time. But I want you to understand that it has nothing to personally do with you. I think that you will do an amazing job for the university. But at this point, we're going to need for you to provide some information so that we are fair to every candidate that comes before us.
So at this time I would like to make a motion that we hold off on the appointment until the required information is submitted to our staff. Thank you.
I just want to make sure that was the issue you were looking at, the insurance card versus the driver's license.
Staff will notify you, Mr. Allen. And if you will work with our staff in clearing up these questions. MS. CASTO: The next one, South Carolina State, Lavon Allen. He is the 7th Congressional District. You'll remember, he is the runner, the athlete. He had a suspended driver's license and student loans that he had not paid in 18 months, paid anything on in 18 months.
I contacted him, and he told the Commission that he was in the process of getting his driver's license cleared up. He has not. It is still suspended, and he is not paid anything on his student loans. And we've gone -- I've tried to contact him about four times in the last week and a half and have gotten no response.
REPRESENTATIVE WHITMIRE: Second.
Discussion? What I want to do with that is open the process back up. An unfavorable report means you've still got a report out there, an unfavorable report. I want to open the process back up so we -- since he has not done what we asked him to do, open it back up so we can find some other candidates to be able to fill that position.
So if the -- I don't know whether or not -- I think you have to make a motion to withdraw the unfavorable report and substitute that motion to allow the process to be back up -- be back open. I think that will take care of that.
CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: Senator Verdin.
SENATOR VERDIN: Okay.
And Representative King brought it up -- you alluded to it. You didn't bring it -- you told him -- Okay. We'll take a vote on the unfavorable.
(All members raise hands.) So you will be screening five of the six candidates.
Good morning, Mr. Gadson.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Would you like to make a brief statement? My name is Herbert Gadson. I'm a 1971 graduate from South Carolina State University. I am a retired educator from the Charleston County School District after serving 35 years in that the district. I have three kids. I think I may be the only survivor of the Orangeburg Massacre. I was one of the 29 students that was shot that night. That night sort of tied me to the hip of South Carolina College. I don't want to play on words, but I was shot in the hip. But that night changed my life. When I left my little hometown in Hollywood to attend South Carolina State College, I was a little dumb country boy. I didn't know anything about Black Power. I didn't know anything about black injustice until I got to South Carolina State College. My eyes began to open up about the world; not only about books, but about the world, about people, how people interact with people. Now, that experience has been with me throughout my life. It has changed my life in some ways. It has made my life better in some ways. Some ways, I look at things a little differently. But I want to serve on this board because I think my experiences throughout the years will allow me the opportunity to better the lives of some of those kids at South Carolina State University.
Thank you.
Is his paperwork in order?
Mr. King.
Mr. Gaston, how are you doing? I'm all about diversity. I'm all about globalization, but let's not lose sight of what State College is all about. We need to market State College for what it is, for what its history is; not what we think that in our mind we want that school to be, but what its history is. There are people out there who appreciate the history of our black schools, but we have to market it in a way that means something to people, and I'm talking about both black and white.
And if we could find a way to market the history of black schools, just as we do the history of white schools -- the College of Charleston, for instance, the College of Charleston markets itself on Charleston's history. And if we can find a way to market South Carolina State University on its history and then we bring in the diversity and then we bring in all these other things, I think the school can survive as an HBCU school. And so with all due respect, my questioning about diversity, I've asked that question to every candidate. I don't care what school it was, if it was USC, Clemson, or South Carolina State. But I do understand the importance of diversity in our faculty and our staff, even at Morehouse. As we walk that stage on that last day and enter into this global world that we live in, we need to be able to compete globally. So that was the reason why I asked that question, not to minimize the great history that South Carolina State has, or any HBCU. So I want to go on record in saying that. And so I do understand and appreciate your comments.
My next question to you is -- just as we've asked the other candidates, and I want to be very clear, as my fellow senator, Scott, asked earlier, we don't pick on anybody. We just go on what we have on everyone. Can you elaborate in reference to your SLED report? I went to the urologist for going to the bathroom so much at night, and he sent me to have some X-rays. And he called me back, and a few days later he told me I had some bigger problems. They sent me to a vascular doctor, and they found an aneurysm in the aorta, in my crotch area. I went to the hospital on August 26th. I woke up at the end of September, looked down, and I was missing a leg. When I came out of the hospital on November 26th, I vowed that I would not take another drink, and I haven't. God spared me for something bigger than I was doing. I served as the mayor of my town for 14 years, and I served those people with everything that I had. And at the end of that -- and that factored into why I lost the election in 2003. There were a whole lot of things were coming into play during that time, but I don't want to make an excuse, because I drank, and I drank during that time, and I drank hard.
I don't recommend nobody else taking that course, but that's the course I chose. I think your previous experience as town council, mayor, I mean, is just such a valuable experience to bring to the board, but that which leaves me a lot of concern is the amount of DUIs and the time period and rebounding as a, I guess, functional alcoholic in that time.
And so my challenge, in my mind, is there anything that could trigger that to start again? Anyone else?
Mr. King. Mr. Chairman, as we try to rebuild South Carolina State and send out the best candidates to represent the state and as we have to send these to our colleagues and so that we make sure -- and although I really appreciate you offering your services to the state of South Carolina, unfortunately at this time, I'm going to have to move that we give you an unfavorable report.
Thank you. Seconded by Senator Scott. Any other discussion?
Hearing none, all in favor of the motion unfavorable, raise your right hand. Next, Alexandria Tamila James from Irmo. Good morning, Ms. James.
For the record, if you would give us your full name. Let me swear you in.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? In my undergrad years, I worked heavily with the school. I was a student orientation leader. So I worked firsthand with freshmen or any transfer students that came in, helping to enact programs that will attract students and, you know, make the transition from college -- go from high school to college. I worked with the campus activities board. I was the committee chair. And I worked heavily with the 1890 Program. I worked with two different summer camps at Discovery and Cypress. One worked heavily with high school students across the nation in agriculture, just trying to recruit them to South Carolina State, but also expose them to agriculture and different aspects besides farming. And Cypress was the same thing but on a middle school level.
And I would love to be a part of this board to -- because I've grown up in the South Carolina State University atmosphere. My grandmother was a teacher there. I've had numerous family members come to the school. I was an honorary cheerleader, if you will, when I was a kid, and I just want to be a part of the future growth and development of this university that I love so much. When we look at candidates who are running for the institution -- I'm a graduate of the institution as well. We also look at candidates' ability to be able to assist, not only with instructions and programs, but also financially. And I know you're young, and if it all doesn't fit in this time, you've got adequate time.
What raises some concern with me is your student loan. You're about five months delinquent on your student loan.
So I am very family oriented. So a lot of my funds go towards like my immediate necessities and then spread out towards family members that need help.
I know that it's something when I'm representing South Carolina State, it has to be cleared up, and I'm working towards getting that cleared up. So before I start serving, everything will be caught up. I am making enough financial income right now where I can catch up --
I understand what you're saying, and it won't be an issue, because we don't need to have students, you know --
Mr. King.
Do you realize that when you fall behind, it reflects on the actual university? When I say "academic levels," like when I was -- when I first got to South Carolina State, I wasn't in the honors program because I transferred. And I met with a group of kids who were in the honors program, and just hanging out with them, they were different from my friends back home. Hanging out with them made me want to try harder, and I actually did merit into the honors college that following semester. I got the Achiever Scholarship.
So I think diversity across every aspect, from skin color to state background, economic backgrounds, is very important because it can -- it encourages and it teaches people, you know, to see life and -- to see life through other people's eyes.
My last question for you, if you were selected to be on the board, what would make you -- what will you do different as a board member to make South Carolina State successful? With the agricultural business, we could start a little garden and have a fresh market, if you will, on the campus. The journalism students, they can be practicing their journalism skills by going out into the community or walking around campus, you know, publishing whatever interviews that they do on campus.
So yes, I would definitely utilize South Carolina State's greatest assets and my network as well. I've met a lot of people since I've worked with the campus activities board and worked with 1890. So a lot of people are ready to give back. I think we just have to ask. Is there a second? No second?
For the benefit of the Members, I'll second the motion. Let's discuss it now.
Further discussion? And sorry, Ms. James. I understand why this is such a great concern. I'm going to repeat this one more time. A high number of students who do not pay their student loans back to the institution, it affects the accreditation of the school. South Carolina State has battled that in recent history. So that is one of the issues that Senator Scott is having with giving you a favorable report, because if you are a member of the board and have student loans, you have to understand that this does affect the accreditation of that institution with the number of students who are unable to pay their student loans back. So that's why it may look small to you and why someone may ask that question.
It is very important to us as legislators when we have recently debated and sometimes fought very hard for South Carolina State's accreditation in this state.
You're speaking in terms of months. I think we're talking in terms of days.
Well, I can call the student loan companies today and see what I can do to -- what kind of programs or what I can do to rectify the situation immediately and see if I can...
Motion is to carry over for Alexandria Tamila James.
Senator Scott.
Martha, you have a little committee business we need to attend to.
The first one is Alexandria Tamelia James. She was running for the At-Large Seat 9. You carried her over because of her student loans that she had not paid, and she was to come back with a payment schedule, and she has not. I gave her until 10:00 this morning.
Hearing none, we find the candidate unfavorable.
Dr. Beraho, come on up. That's why I ask you to say your full name for the record, in case I don't say it right, pronounce it right.
What's your full name, sir?
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Well, I want to say that I went to South Carolina State University in 1981. So I saw that university grow, and I also -- I knew that when I went there the first time, it was a good school. And as time went on, it became worse and worse under my watch. So I want to say that I know the school well. Well, I worked there 34 years. And I've seen good things happen, and I've seen bad things happen to it, but I believe we can help it improve. That's what I hope to see now and move it forward.
I'll wait for whatever you need to say.
Staff, is his paperwork in order?
You did put on here that you are involved in a wrongful termination suit against South Carolina State. Is it still in mediation?
And so I think we need to -- I would hope that we're going to have some conversation in reference to that. But as far as I'm concerned, I don't see that it has anything to do with it because with whom I work, it's not something that -- something because I hate the school. I love the school, but something wrong was done by individuals of the university, actually.
So I think I don't have any problems serving in spite of that.
I want to move for an unfavorable report.
Any other discussion? Raise you right hand.
Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, sir.
For the record, if you would give us your full name. I'm a 1997 graduate of South Carolina State. I entered in 1993. A brief story for my statement. I met a gentleman my freshmen year, and I was living in Lowman Hall, and the young guys there had a party, and I was introduced to partying with young guys for the first time coming from Hartsville. And we walked the campus, and we're touring the campus, and we ended up running into a guy. Because we were loud, he pulled me over and spoke with me. And then later on the following day, he came by the dorm to visit me, and I was so taken by the visit. And that guy was Dr. Maceo Nance, and he walked me up and down the campus and showed me his history of the campus, the beauty of the campus, and the wonderful things that the university had done throughout the state of South Carolina and this country. And he also taught me about alcohol, you know, not to hang out with the boys and getting too rowdy. And he also had pulled my grades. He said, "Because a young man with that much energy, there must be something special about you." He pulled my grades and saw that I was a presidential scholar, and he was excited about that. And he said he wanted more students like that. He goes, "Here is a kid coming from Hartsville, South Carolina, born near the projects in a ghetto-like area, and South Carolina State pulled you in here, remediating you, giving you an opportunity at life to become a doctor and be as successful in life as you want to be."
And so South Carolina State offered that to me, and I want to make sure that opportunity is still there for students to come, regardless of their background and their nationality, but that we still have that opportunity available for those students who seek to further their education.
Staff, is his paperwork in order? So there were things about our taxes that we could not find. He had to recreate. We had to contact vendors to get receipts. A tornado ripped our building apart, and we lost all of our records, our computer systems and all.
So it took him some time to put everything together. And then we experienced another national disaster with Hurricane Matthew where we lost quite a bit there, and we're still recovering from that at this time. So presently we are in compliance. Mr. Gilmore has everything in order and is continuing to work on it and make sure we stay in compliance. It started in 1996. In 1996, I was detained and arrested under the advice of then-Attorney General Charlie Condon for not turning in a tax form. Well, at that time we didn't have a tax form that we needed to turn in, and we didn't owe any money, and we were somewhat confused. And so from then we went on to a trial, and there was a conviction, and we moved the trial to an appellate court on to the Supreme Court, in which Supreme Court ruled in what I felt was my favor. But Board of Chiropractic Examiners said you did not give us knowledge that you had been arrested and/or indicted and/or convicted. And so we disagreed with that, and we went back and forth for about three or four years until we just settled the matter because the legislators, you guys, actually did away with the law. I repealed without a saving clause, and because it was at the Supreme Court, it become a moot issue at that point because you guys did away with it.
So that was an issue that the Board of Chiropractic Examiners was disciplining me on, because they said they didn't receive notice from me that I had been arrested, indicted, and/or convicted.
Quality Loss Construction, we are an asbestos abatement and testing firm registered and certified with FEMA, EPA, and South Carolina DHEC. And what we do, we petition state institutions, from South Carolina State to Clemson and USC and other institutions, for some of their asbestos testing and abatement projects.
And you may have answered this, and I'm just going to make sure I'm clear on it. Just so that we are following protocol with the other folks that we have screened out. The issue you have with DOR, Department of Revenue, an outstanding lien, has that been taken care of?
Let me make this comment, because I spoke to Virginia at the department, and there were several things that they pulled, and that someone has the same name and similar date of birth as mine. Things like attempted murder, being arrested for stealing a car. You know, those things are also tagged to my name, which I don't have any of that in my history. And so at the appropriate time, I'm going to make a motion that we allow you that time, and at that time then we will, you know, move forward with your application as a board member. And that is just in light of what we have done with all out the candidates, not just today but all that we have interviewed in reference to any university.
So we want to make sure that we're being fair across the board. Okay?
One is, obviously, your responsibilities, your work responsibilities. Would there be any if you were elected to the board? Would there be any issue with your ability to carry out those duties?
So being on campus would not be an issue because I don't live too far away from there. But it's just having the scheduled meetings and my secretary putting them on my calendar. So I could definitely make the appointments.
Mr. Addison, can you get all of this information and get with the staff within two weeks from today? Motion is to carry it over. We'll carry it over without objection.
Thank you, sir. Unfavorable on that candidate.
Does that clear up our housekeeping? CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: Okay. Next we have the University of South Carolina, 1st Judicial Circuit, Charles H. Williams from Orangeburg.
Mr. Williams, welcome.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. Williams, make sure your light is burning green also. I think I want to start off by kind of telling who I am. I'm 68 years old. I attended the University of South Carolina undergraduate and law school. My father was the late Senator Marshall Williams. My wife was the late Karen Williams, who was the first lady on the Fourth Circuit and the first lady to be Chief Justice. I have four children, all of which are lawyers, all of which attended the University of South Carolina law school. To tell you I'm not embarrassed to be here would be a lie. I am. In my 68 years, I've never been in any kind of trouble. I think I had a speeding ticket 40 years ago. I think I've lived an exemplary life. I've always tried to do what's right. I served on the board at South Carolina State College for 22 years. I resigned in protest over what was going on at the school, and some of you all over there -- ten years ago I wrote a letter to the Legislature, telling them the problems we were having at State and trying to get them to vote against Maurice Washington as chairman. I've been on the University of South Carolina board for eight years. I don't accept any per diem or any mileage or anything from the University, nor did I do it from South Carolina State. I'm still a strong supporter of South Carolina State. I'm a lifelong resident of Orangeburg. I think it's a valuable school. But I do love and cherish being on the board at the University of South Carolina. I attend 90-something percent -- I think maybe once or twice I was in court and couldn't attend a meeting, but I attend all board meetings. I attend all committee meetings, even those committees I'm not on. My firm gave $2 million to the law school, and they named the law school courtroom after my late wife. I've always been a financial contributor to the University. I think the University is a great institution, and I love being there. I know a lot of you all have problems because almost five years ago, I reckon, now, I had a wildlife violation, and I was trapping hawks on my farm. I'm going to tell you some background when this happened. My wife was dying from Alzheimer's. And I exercised poor judgment, and I'm sorry I did. Excuse me. I'm sorry I did. But I grew up on a farm, and I quail hunted all my life. Hawks have always been a problem for quail hunters. And I knew I should not have done it. I put out some traps, and I shouldn't have done it. And, you know, I've lived through five years dealing with this thing. It's been hard on me. The papers have been pretty much unmerciful on me. There's been a lot of things said that were untrue. Anytime they mention me, they always mention my father and my wife. She died about three months after this happened. But I want you to know, I'm not a bad person. I made a mistake, and I'm certainly sorry for it. I think -- I didn't realize the consequences of my mistake. I'd never heard of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act until this thing happened. It started off, the state had it. They made another case. I think it was in Beaufort. The defendants were each charged a thousand dollars each. They'd taken 30-something birds. I didn't understand the seriousness. This was a magistrate's court offense both in state court and in federal court.
I'm going to pass up, if I may... I didn't make but one copy of this.
(Tendering documents.) The migratory Bird Treaty Act which is federal, is a treaty between Russia, Canada, and the United States. Of course, I learned this afterwards. I passed up a thing. There are 800 birds protected by the Migratory Treaty Act. They include blackbirds, pigeons, crows, coots, any bird that can fly except quail or a turkey. When I met with the US attorney, I never denied it. I always took responsibility. They wanted me to give a $100,000 contribution to an organization which I'm well aware of and know the person that runs it. It's an -- I can't think of it right now, but it's for birds of prey. I grew up with the man that ran it, and I did not want to. I offered to give 100,000 to my church or to the University, and they said no. I said, Well, I'll just plead. They wanted me to plead to seven counts, and I agreed because I bought the traps and I put them out. They were out for about -- maybe a year. When I went to court, I went before the magistrate Shiva Hodges, who I didn't know. She sentenced me and gave me a fine of $75,000. I was shocked. I had researched all the cases in the Fourth Circuit. The Fourth Circuit controls South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia. The highest fine for anybody that killed a hawk or trapped a hawk was $1,000. The people that pled before me each got $1,000. The judge went on and asked the US attorney, who asked for a $100,000 fine. And she said, well, can you show me anywhere, both a misdemeanor -- and this was a misdemeanor before a federal magistrate -- where anybody has got a fine of 10,000 or more, including all felonies? And felonies, they get higher charges, you know, drug distribution and child pornography. And the answer was no. And I thought everything was going along fine, and then that she sentenced me to 75,000. I'll be honest with you. I was shocked. And then she said she wanted to add, and told me that when she was at the Governor's School that she saw a red-tailed hawk. Well, a red-tailed hawk is the same thing as a chicken hawk. And it changed her -- she looked in the eyes of that hawk, and it changed her life, and she wanted to be an ornithologist, and she went to Clemson and decided on being in biology. Of course, I was a little bit disturbed that she hadn't told me that when we began the plea, and I also knew that her maximum -- a federal magistrate can only fine $5,000. So I took -- I appealed it, appealed to a district court judge in the federal system. And the district court judge agreed that she couldn't fine me what she did. And I went for resentencing. And in the first sentencing, they told the judge that a game warden came to me and told me to quit trapping hawks. And that was just completely untrue. And I got the name of who they claimed it was, and it was Damian Yongue, and he was no longer in Orangeburg. He was in Lexington. So I called him after the sentencing and asked him did he tell anybody that he'd ever called me and told me to quit trapping hawks, and he said no. And I asked him, Will you give me an affidavit? And he gave me an affidavit, which I presented to the second court in my sentencing. The newspaper made statements that were just totally false. My farm became a plantation all of a sudden. I got a farm that my daddy had from his granddaddy that I bought from my daddy. I don't like the connotation of a plantation. It's a farm. The paper said that I was charged with killing an endangered species. They're not. The next article said they were rare. They're not. There are millions of hawks. You can google it at any time. And, you know, they always -- they never said anything about the false statement that was given in court by the government that was disproved by the affidavit given by the officer that he did not ever say that they'd been on my farm. Never knew anything about it. The first time he knew about this was when he read in the paper that I'd been charged. To tell you that my life has been miserable -- I mean, I had people in Orangeburg who thought I was going to jail and asked me. They said, what's going on? And this same -- I now know this same treaty, if you get charged federally by shooting over the limit of doves or shooting bait, this is what they charge you under. And it's a magistrate court offense in the state. It's a magistrate court offense even under the federal. And, you know, why -- I never thought I was political. When Daddy died, everybody wanted me to run for senate. I didn't want to be in politics. I know what you all give up. I watched my daddy. Daddy never made any money. Daddy was up here in Columbia all the time. I got Brad Hutto. He's never at the office. They're always in Columbia. I never wanted to be in politics. I mean, I won't say I'm greedy, but, you know, I wanted to practice law. And I didn't understand why the attention was directed at me other than who my wife was and who my father was. And to tell you that I'm sorry and how many sleepless -- I got in from China yesterday. I spent three weeks in Asia. So on the plane back, I said, Well, I can't go to sleep. I've got to get a good night's sleep so I can be ready for this. Well, I didn't get any sleep. I haven't slept in 48 hours. I told Pastides, I said, you know, it's not worth it to have to go through this thing again. For four or five years, I've been trying to get it behind me. And, you know, it's been tough on me. It's been tough on my children. I mean, you know, they don't want to read things about their daddy. And I don't know why the paper -- when I took the appeal, Ariail did a cartoon and put three buzzards up there and had me in the tree with three buzzards and said, Birds of a feather flock together. I mean, who isn't going to appeal when the judge can only fine you $5,000 and they give you $75,000? You know, you can't talk to the paper. They're not going to print what you say. It's a one-sided deal. And, you know, what I did was wrong, and I know it, and all I wanted to be was treated fairly. I wanted to be treated like everybody else that went to federal court and got a $1,000 fine. I paid -- I didn't appeal my second fine of $30,000. I paid the fine. It was actually $30,070, and I paid it just trying to get this thing over with.
(Representative Henderson enters the room.) I mean, you know, I hate to say it, but people have been shooting -- quail hunters have been shooting hawks down there since time began. Hawks came back in 1970 when they did away with DDT, and they had an explosion of the hawk population.
You know, I'm willing to answer any questions you have on that, if you have any.
Have you completed your opening statement?
And quite frankly, Mr. Williams, I'm not an attorney, and so -- number one. Number two, most of the information about this incident I read in the paper. And so I understand what you're saying. But we have a job to do also, and I know you understand that.
MS. CASTO: Yes, sir.
Now, Mr. King. And I thank you for your statement. My question to you is, I'm more concerned about diversity at the University of South Carolina.
Can you tell me a little bit about diversity and how your continued service on the board will be helpful in my quest at seeing diversity throughout the campus with the student body, faculty, and staff? It is becoming more and more difficult, I think, to get African Americans because the declining -- and we accept 74 percent of all South Carolina African Americans that apply. The African Americans are declining in the number applying to universities and colleges. You probably won't like what I've got to say, but, you know, we've got rural counties, and the education is subpar, and they're not preparing -- mostly African Americans live in these areas, Allendale, Kingstree, Orangeburg, and so forth. And they're not preparing these kids for college. And so a lot of these kids are not even trying to go to college. One in every four black males goes to jail. It's a terrible problem. President Pastides is, I think, very diligent in trying to bring more African Americans into our school. Right now, we have, I think, 3600. That makes up about ten percent of our enrollment. We have about 20 percent of our teachers who are African American. Can we do a better job? Sure, we can do a better job. I think we are trying. We have people who go to high schools to try and recruit blacks, African Americans, but we can do a better job.
But we lead the state in the number of African Americans by a large stretch. We have, I think, 3600. South Carolina State has like 2700.
So we're trying, but we can do better.
Can you tell me how you would be supportive of the advancement of African Americans?
And I talked to Pastides. At the time, it was -- and the other provost emeritus. And they were both hired. And from what I know in talking to the administration, they've done an excellent job. One of them went into administration. But I come from a county that is probably 65 percent African Americans, and I do my best to try and help what I perceive is a serious problem. I want to relate something that is a matter of public policy as relates to wildlife. I believe Senator Martin, senator from Pickens, in his final few months of service was the first one to bring this matter to my attention. Yes, it was. I had to think about that. I know that the current senator from Pickens has been keenly aware of it, but I had to go back in my mind and recollect the time frame.
So back into 2016, the cattlemen of the northwestern corner -- that would be the Golden Corner -- Nonetheless, regarding the time frame winter or spring, about 200 cattlemen from the northwestern corner of the state, primarily Anderson, Pickens, Oconee Counties, convened somewhere in Pickens County. I believe it was a community center somewhere in the Tamassee-Salem section, which, I guess, would have been Oconee County. You might recall the meeting where these cattlemen met to discuss the black vulture, a bird that's protected under these same treaties that affect the hawk. I was unable to make the meeting, but I got the reports back that the Fish and Wildlife Service, in a rather abrupt manner, told the presenters and the testifiers -- and these testifiers who were there were cattlemen, animal husbandry. A gentleman made the appeal to the Fish and Wildlife Service for any kind of relief they could get on depredation of their cattle. Now, let me tell you how this happens. He gave the specific instance of his brood cow delivering a pair of twins -- delivering a set of twins. Before the mama could lick that first calf off, get it on its feet, these black vultures had pecked the eyes out of the second twin. At that point, the animal is unstable. The mother was able to bring one to life. The second twin was, obviously, killed. That pecking of the eyes was just the start of the process. When she was finished, there was hardly any meat left on the bones. This has been repeated many, many times now in the northwestern sections of the state. If you're not familiar with this black vulture, we grew up with a turkey vulture in South Carolina. Turkey vultures are the ugly, old bird with no hair on its head and red on top. You don't usually see more than four or five of them at a time. When you see this black -- and it's a fairly large-sized bird. This black vulture is speckle-headed gray on top. It's about a third less size. And when you see them, you're going to see -- now, when you see the turkey vulture roosting at night, you might see 50 or 60 of them sitting up on an old BellSouth tower somewhere. These black vultures, you're going to see them packed up 40 or 50 at a time. And they have come in here aggressively from the southwestern United States. They made their way in here via the Tennessee and Cumberland River Valleys. They worked their way right across the mountains, and now they're in South Carolina. Well, when these concerned cattlemen had this meeting, the Fish and Wildlife Service heard their pleas and said, well, let me tell you... The cattlemen were saying, look. We've got to protect our property. The Fish and Wildlife Service says, well, you might be protecting your property. We're going to put you under the jail. Well, that's the federal response in 2016. It's so bad in Tennessee and Kentucky that the previous administration gave a special dispensation to those two states for this predation to be handled privately -- to be handled with private protection and with reporting to the federal agency, special dispensation given by the Department of the Interior, Fish and Wildlife Service to Kentucky and Tennessee. I subsequently have been working the National Conference of State Legislatures, Southern Legislative Conference, to have policies adopted and sent to the feds to extend that dispensation and that special permit to South Carolina as well. Last month, when the secretary of the interior was here in Columbia listening to the energy debate and offshore drilling, I spoke with him directly, Ryan Zinke, about this matter, and he said he was more and more aware, not from just the successful efforts to protect property in Kentucky and Tennessee, but he's hearing now from North Carolina, Virginia, and expects to hear from Gulf Coast states soon and that he is very interested in seeing a national policy change that will highlight and give preference and consideration to the protection of property. Now, Mr. Williams indicated that there are millions of these hawks. I'm going to say there's tens of millions. I'm not an ornithologist or a Fish and Wildlife Service counter, but I can tell you, I'm a mom-and-pop retailer. My wife sells about 4,000 or 5,000 day-old, two-day-old chicks a year to mom-and-pop or to backyard poultry keepers in Laurens, Greenville, Union, Greenwood Counties. And those same people are back every year, and they start all over again because they basically feel like they're just part of the food chain for the local chicken hawk population. So there's a lot of different perspectives on the way federal policies impact us at the local level. And I will just tell you, my understanding and personal involvement for the protection of private property does very much color my view towards this matter, and I do view that apart and separate from the violation. But the fact that there has been a violation and acknowledgment, a suffering of the consequences, a wearing of the scarlet letter. I can just tell you, I might be the newest member here, and I really appreciate the in-depth and serious manner in which this Committee goes about its business. I'm not privy to all the previous confirmations or clearances, votes of qualification or non-qualification. But as I've told the Chairman and other members of the Committee, I want to be as open-minded and open-hearted as I possibly can be in regards to this matter going forward.
So I wanted to put that out there so that you would know, all know, where I'm coming from as we continue to consider and debate the matter. I apologize. I've had a committee meeting this morning, and I probably missed some of this before I got here, so I apologize if I'm covering some ground that's already been covered.
But Senator Verdin's comments -- and I'm wondering, what is the -- are the hawks similar to the vultures in terms of they are causing some kind of problem, there's a reason why, or is it just for fun or -- I mean, I don't understand because I just don't know anything about it. In the '70s, there were a hundred coveys on our farm. I'd go out and find 25 coveys in the morning and 25 in the afternoon. From 1970 on, about the same time that the federal government did away with DDT, the hawk population exploded, and our quail population went down. I have spent literally hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to make my farm back to what it was when I grew up. Tall Timbers -- I don't want to knock -- DNR doesn't know anything about quail. Tall Timbers is a nonprofit. It does all the research. And one of the biggest problems with quail is avian predators. And that's mainly the chicken hawk and the Cooper's hawk, which I'm not charged with. It's one of the worst ones. And they live off -- if you've got -- we have chickens, or we had chickens. You couldn't put a chicken out in the yard. They'd kill every chicken you had. We had to build a fence and put a top on it. There's no such thing as a free-range chicken anymore because they'd kill all your chickens. I could ride around on the farm and literally see a hundred hawks. And really, out of frustration -- and it's pretty widespread with quail hunters trying to do away with the hawks or limit the amount of hawks on your farm because they take all your quail. They take your rabbits. They take your songbirds. They take your doves. It's similar to what went on with the cormorants down at the lake. The cormorant's a protected bird, and all of a sudden, the federals allowed them to shoot them in Santee. All of a sudden, all the fish came back. They were eating all the herring in the lake. There will be a day, I think, when the federal government finally does something with the enormous amount of hawks that we have. I don't want to do away with hawks, but I just want there to be a reasonable amount where I can enjoy quail hunting again and have chickens in the yard. And I'm not -- don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to justify what I did. I was wrong, and God knows I'm sorry for it. But it wasn't done for sport. It was done to try and protect the quail on the farm and the chickens in my yard and the rabbits on my farm. You know, if I had to do it over again -- since this thing happened, I've seen so many hawks, and it's almost like they know I can't do anything now because they'll sit right there in the tree and look at me. But you couldn't pay me a million dollars to mess with a hawk again. If I have to lose all my quail, I'll just have to lose all my quail.
But again, I had no idea about this treaty. In fact, I could have applied -- I didn't know it, but you can apply for a permit. I don't know if I would have gotten a permit, but you can apply for a permit to take these species. But I never heard of the Migratory Treaty Act until this thing happened. And the Cooper's hawk is the worst of all. It's a small hawk. And if you -- you can start at the beginning of the season where you know your wild birds are, and you can see that hawk -- and I don't shoot wild birds because I'm trying to get them back.
But you can see that hawk in the tree over where the coveys are around, and in five months, instead of having 12 birds, all of a sudden you've got four birds in that covey. They just decimate you.
As I said before, I'm not an attorney, but as an attorney, help me understand the difference between a state misdemeanor and a federal misdemeanor. And I personally think this is a higher level than a speeding ticket. But they made a federal case out of it. You've heard that old saying. What's the difference? It's kind of like if you've got somebody charged in state court, and he's going to get five years. If they charge him in federal court, he's going to get 30, or he might get life. They just -- it's just much more severe.
There are 10,000 wildlife cases made a year. These are only two I know of that were state cases that went federal. And I can only speculate why. But they wanted to make an example of somebody. They were upset the first time around when they only got a thousand-dollar fine, and so here I am. My wife is a judge. My father is a senator. I'm on the board. Why not -- let's take him apart. What you have to do, they do it on what you call an information in federal court. You just go before a magistrate, and the magistrate sets up your date for you to appear. They automatically enter a plea of not guilty.
I never said I was not guilty. In fact, the headlines were I pled not guilty. I didn't plead anything. And then they say -- when I went to court, they said I changed my plea. And that was just untrue. None of the stuff they printed was correct.
If you were an employee of the University and pled guilty to this -- I was just told in the employee handbook that if an employee -- do you want to read those that we have? MS. CASTO: This was taken from the employee handbook. If an employee has been charged with a crime for which there is probable cause for arrest or which raises a reasonable concern or belief by the Vice President for Human Resources or the Vice President designee, that the presence of the employee on the job would or could be harmful to the employee, other employees, students, or other members of the University community, or that the employee would be unable to properly perform the duties of his or her position, the employee may be suspended pending the outcome of the criminal charge and/or a thorough review by the University. In the event no wrongdoing by the employee is established, the employee may be entitled to back pay.
Conviction of a misdemeanor such that the employee's presence on the job could or would be harmful to the employee or others such that the employee's fitness to perform assigned duties is suspected, written reprimand to suspension to dismissal will occur.
I mean, if I got -- Lord. I don't know how many people have shot over the limit in doves or shot a pigeon at a dove shoot or something. I mean, I just don't see where that has any adverse effect on what that is addressing.
Senator Scott. Thank you, Mr. Williams, for coming. When I look at the laundry list of what is considered to be serious crime with wildlife, I give you the most consideration with an 8 point. I believe what you say. I believe that you made a mistake. I believe you paid your fine for your mistakes. But Committee, when I look at some of these things that are like an 18-point or 14-point violation: killing or attempting to kill or molesting deer from a motorboat, 14 points; night hunting deer or a bear, 18 points; roost shooting turkey between one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise, 18 points; hunting turkey over bait for game, 10 points; trespassing to hunt waterfowl, 18 points; shooting waterfowl -- now, now, now, hunting waterfowl, baiting, 18 points; but shooting waterfowl, baiting, 10 points. Come on, folks. Hunting waterfowl out of season, 15 points. Taking or possessing more than one waterfowl over the legal limit, 15 points. You were doing an 8-point violation, and what they did, since the magistrate judge could not get the 75,000, the next level court fined him for each one of them. I don't this is going to tear anything up. I think he is fine. I've been probably one of the toughest folks up here as it relates to folks coming in here with all kinds of judgments and fines. I think Mr. Williams has learned his lesson. I think this is something outside of the normal purview of the public, something that happened in the private part of his life. And I do believe that he didn't quite understand all of what was going on out there. But the key to it is he said to us, he said, I could have gotten a permit to do what I did, but I didn't know a permit to do it exists. Lack of knowledge, of knowing that a permit was available.
At the appropriate point, I'll offer a motion. Mr. Williams, I'm really sorry we're having to go through this, and I know you're hating it. You've got some loyal supporters there that have spoken highly of you.
My question is, how did the federal authorities know that you were trapping hawks in the first place?
But the state made the case, and the federal assumed the case, and I think they did it because, like I say, they'd made a prior case before mine. It had happened around the same time, and it went to court, and they only got a thousand-dollar fine, and I think they were trying to make an example.
Mr. Williams, I'm wondering, exactly what were the charges, and what were you charged with, and what did you plead to? What were the exact charges?
And then, beyond that, there was the federal charge.
And so, then, as a result of that, did you -- did they use these points to determine --
And I truly don't think I'm unfit. I think I'm a very good board member. I think I've attended all the meetings and I've done everything I was supposed to do as a board member. I've been 30 years between South Carolina State and the University of South Carolina. I'm 68 years old. I ain't got many more years. The last thing I want is for somebody to say I'm unfit. When I resigned, President Hugine was the president. We'd just had a Democratic debate at the University. Everything was going good. He didn't get along with Washington. They orchestrated the firing, which I was bitterly opposed to. When it got topped off, President Hugine had done an investigation, and the second man in command at finance had been caught. He bought, I think, $3,000 or either $5,000 worth of clothes over at a clothier store in Aiken. And I came to the meeting, and I asked what we were going to do, and Chairman Washington told me he'd taken care of it. I asked him, how have you taken care of it? And he said, we're going to let him resign and pay the money back. And my comment was, you can't do that. You can turn it over to SLED. If you all want to get this guy probation, whatever, but you just can't sweep it under the rug. Reverend Corbitt, who was the next chairman after that at this same meeting told me that we had enough black men in jail. And I said, I don't want him to go to jail, but it's a public university. We have to report it to SLED. They refused to do it. I said, I'm out of here. You all can go to jail. I'm not going with you. And I tendered my letter of resignation. Then I wrote every member of the Legislature a letter explaining what was going on. Maurice Washington was up for reelection. He had had what they called -- the presidential thing down at The Citadel. They started playing a football game at The Citadel. He wouldn't account for the money that was given and where it went.
There was just stuff going on that I didn't want to be a part of. And I'd been on there 22 years, and maybe the last six or eight years I'd been on there is when it just was going crazy. I mean, there was stuff going on and no accountability.
Ms. Henderson. I believe that you were doing what you felt like was in the best interest of your farm and your business. The problem that I have is that what we have to look at is character and ethical fitness and the fact that this is one of our major institutions, the leadership, the example that we should set. And I just think that the average person out there, with everything that we've been through at the State House the last few years with members of our bodies who have been charged with behavior that's unethical and illegal, that I personally feel like I have to look at it in the situation of what's -- I have kids there. What it says to me is -- and I'm not saying this to you, but the message is, it's a person of privilege who takes advantage of the system and doesn't feel like -- they can pretty much continue to do what they're doing without any consequence. And that's a mark on all of us in the roles that we play because we all get painted with the same brush.
But that's my concern. I just wanted to make sure I had the opportunity to say that before we went into executive session. Thank you. I don't think it's fair to paint me with the same brush as somebody in politics who's charged with a corruption charge. You know, it's a misdemeanor. I made a mistake. It's -- the lowest thing you can be in the judicial system is a misdemeanor. And I just -- I really do think it's unfair that the newspaper painted me in the light that it did. I don't think I've ever had a chance to really tell my side of the story. You can't win when the paper is against you. I mean, they're not going to print what you say.
And I understand that being a politician, you worry about what people think, but I also think I need to be treated fairly. What has transpired here at the State House is far, far different. We're talking about thousands and in some cases millions of dollars that folks on their own created a scheme to do, which one is tied back to the other. So I, too, would not want to even begin to even insinuate that this is anything close to what the State House has been through. This is -- I came in here in 1990, '91, right after the first real corruption, and now we're into the second real corruption. It's two different things. A man killed a bird. A man didn't steal money. A man didn't do all these other things that created total chaos in our system.
I just couldn't leave that out there. Thank you. Before you entertain the motion for executive session, I want to respond to the general tenor of debate. Some things are clearly defined as regards our task and responsibilities here. Some decisions are cut and dry. Some are easy. Some are hard. This one's hard, but because it's hard, it really calls upon our cumulative abilities and responsibility to discern closely.
So regardless of this current case, past cases, future cases, I commit myself to any candidate and to my fellow commissioners to very careful and close discernment, not broad generalities, not paths of least resistance, but close discernment. (The Commission adjourned to executive session at 10:09 a.m.)
(The Commission returned from executive session at 10:17 a.m.) Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor of the motion, raise your right hand.
(All members raise hands.) Next, we'll get back in line, Dorn Smith, 3rd Judicial Circuit.
Good afternoon, sir. For the record, if you will give us your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? MR. SMITH: Thank you, Senator Peeler. Thank you for having us here this afternoon. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to be here to present to you all and give me the opportunity to serve the university and the state. I feel very strongly that higher education is important for the long-term growth of all our students and population as we go forward in this new economy. As Mr. Hubbard pointed out a few moments ago, 55 percent of all the jobs in 2020 and above are going to require at least some form of higher education for our children to be able to compete and to go forward and be able to support themselves and raise their standard of living. That's incredible.
At the same time, it's imperative that we manage the cost of tuition to try to give them their best opportunity to give them the most bang for their bucks as we look at that and provide them with a safe healthy environment to live and grow in. I feel like we're nearly devoid of the benefit of up-to-date peer-reviewed medical science, and I've asked practicing physicians for the Medical University of South Carolina these same questions, and do you -- and I realize we live in an extremely conservative state, limited resources, but we nonetheless have a political debate that is outrunning the medical debate.
What do you see or advise from your peculiar position as a trustee of this school where we can bring two debates under the same track? As far as medical marijuana, there are tons of papers out there that say that certainly there is some benefit, particularly for chronic pain, for glaucoma, or epilepsy and those sorts of things, if you will. There are also adverse effects to any medicine you give. And if you look at it just from that standpoint, that has to be weighed in upon. When you look at it from a legal standpoint, when you have Mark Hill at SLED saying that they have no interest in it, even with the new hemp law that's come out that where the farmers were growing hemp, if you will, that -- and not that people signed up for it, but there was concern as to how you were going to regulate that, because -- and it's the same issue with that.
Again, from your standpoint and from my standpoint what I would like to see is -- I would like the see the medical literature catch up with that. I think so much of medical literature can be twisted and turned to argue whichever point you are, and we need to be very careful and conservative as we go forward and make sure that we have our facts.
And so -- I know it's a challenge for some who come from the technical program and transfer over to the university, but even more difficult to get into the Ph.D. program and, with many different reasons, lack of funding. I don't know if y'all have scholarships set up, foundations set up.
Tell me a little bit about what the health portion of the board is actually doing. We have in Jeannette Andrews, our dean of the nursing school, a lady that came in under adverse circumstances when our success rate wasn't passing and then the nursing board was not where it was supposed to be, and it's built this into a powerhouse program. Not only at the Ph.D., nurse practitioner, nurse anesthesia level, but also at the RN, BSN level, and we're very proud of what she's doing with that, and we're very supportive of that.
Forty percent of all the jobs in the country in the next 10 to 30 years are going to be in the health field, and that's why it's important that we do continue to grow the health sciences campus, if you will. We have acute needs to expand our medical school. We have acute needs to expand the nursing school, both at the RSBN level and at the Ph.D. level, so that we can have the ladies and gentlemen to teach our -- to have the faculty to teach these people as well as nurse practitioners in our new PA program that is going to provide primary care, if you will, to the underserved areas, if you will.
Tell me a little bit about some numbers, if you've got some data, of what our numbers actually look like, and are we able to get minority students into the program and graduate from the program and also what your graduation levels may look like.
Particularly, one of the things I have read about is the areas you've talked about. It's not so much the different areas. It's almost a rural versus suburban competition in this state, and there seems to be a more and more divergent pathway -- particularly if you're from a Jasper or from an Allendale County or a Clarendon County, Williamsburg County -- if you're not along the coast or if you're not in the capital along the I-85 corridor. There's lots of work to be done, and we have a ton of work to do, and we would like to continue to expand that, quite frankly.
Does that mean that I won't work with an associate's degree nurse? Absolutely not. Some of the finest ones I know -- REPRESENTATIVE HENDERSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Dr. Dorn.
Let me ask you a question. So you hit on something I want to ask you about a little bit more, and that is -- so what do you see as the long-term solution to the health-care crisis in rural and underserved areas of our state? But I think that, you know, we've seen -- I've spent five years on medical affairs, and Senator Peeler has seen this many times too in this effort for nurse practitioners to have independent practice. And while it's touted as the answer to rural health care -- you know, I live in Greenville, so, you know, I can go to a specialist and get my health care. I think, to be honest with you, that is an insult, honestly, to folks that live in a rural area. They say, basically, because you live in an Allendale and nobody wants to come and live there in private -- you know, as a physician, you're going to get your health care delivered by a nurse practitioner, and those of us that live in a more populated area are going to get a doctor. I mean, that is just really -- that's not fair. And I understand it could be an easy fix, but it's not a long-term fix. And that's why when I hear, you know, y'all talking about those kinds of issues with respect to physician extenders, my radar goes up because -- you know, I'll tell you one other. So Dr. Paul Catalana is the head of the medical school admissions. He is a friend of mine and constituent, and we have had these conversations. He's like, you know, "I have a lot of people come to me and say, basically, Dr. Catalana, like why would I want to be a doctor? Because it's so expensive. I can just be a PA, and I can practice. I can see patients." They want to see patients, and they see medical school as a lot of time and a lot of money and a lot of energy, especially -- I think that if we get to the point where we're actually giving nurse practitioners the ability to practice independently, we're going to see less and less doctors because people are like, I can go get a nurse practitioner degree and see patients. Why would I ever want to go to medical school?
So I'll leave that to you guys to figure that out, but that's --
But let me also say, if you think about it, why would I spend, you know, 12, 15 years in residency and med school and training when I can go and make as a nurse practitioner or a PA exactly what a family doctor is making with less call, less overhead, and no liability? We can't be all things to all people. We would love to do that, but the reality is we can't.
And so, yes, sir, we're constantly evaluating programs to see what needs to be maintained, what needs to be accelerated, and what needs to be cut, if you will.
And would you please explain to me your participation as a board member as far as committees and attendance. I've been on the board now eight years. I was chairman of health affairs for the first four years. I'm currently chairman of all of the compliance. I've been a very active member participating.
I think my attendance has been perfect. So I would like to think that I'm involved.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
What's the desire of the committee? Seconded. Any other discussion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, Dr. Smith. We're fortunate to have you on the board. I appreciate this opportunity to be with you this afternoon, and I especially appreciate the privilege that the General Assembly has given to me to be of service to the state of South Carolina as a member of the board of trustees at the University of South Carolina. I believe that education, especially higher education, is critical today, and I believe that we have to do everything we can to maximize our resources to provide cutting-edge education to our students. As we all know, we have entered into a new economy, a global economy that requires more and more critical thinking skills, more ability to adapt to changing conditions. Recent studies have estimated that 65 percent of the jobs in South Carolina by 2020 will require higher education.
And so we need to focus on higher education and make it as responsive and as efficient and effective as we can make it, and that's my passion for South Carolina, and that's why I appreciate the privilege of serving on the University of South Carolina Board of Trustees.
Staff, is the paperwork in order?
How many partners -- I guess you say partners, Nelson Mullins -- serve on the board?
Mr. von Lehe was with another law firm for the vast majority of his career, and only late in his career did he move over to Nelson Mullins.
So I think there was a little bit of work done. But I think the total for the whole year was $16,000, is what we determined and reported on our ethics forms.
Senator Jackson especially, and I know Senator Scott, there's a concern that we're bringing in more out-of-state students than we really should that would take in-state students' slots that we're giving on abatements, and there's some discussion about out-of-state students bringing money with them. But if you lower their tuition, what are they bringing, and are you monitoring that? Because that's a concern of the General Assembly.
I do believe that there's a place for some of that, but in my own personal opinion, I think we need to rein it in. I think it's gotten too large.
It's not cash payments to the students, but it also has an added benefit, though, if someone is coming in on a scholarship. If you lower the tuition rate, you have to take less money from your endowment to fund the scholarship if they are at a lower rate than a typical standard out-of-state rate. But it's something that I believe we need to monitor more carefully, and I believe there's room for us to cut back on it.
And so some of the work involved is going into some rather interesting places in Syria -- excuse me -- Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and some other places and having some conversations there about their policies and democracy and rule of law issues.
But it's a military disciplinary effort. It's not just lawyers and judges. It's all about people from other disciplines who understand the importance of rule of law and have a stable society, enforceable contracts. Strong rule of law promotes economic development around the world. And so it's imperative if we're going to have a rule of law in our country that people view as fair and stable, we have a legal profession that reflects the population of our state, and I know that's the emphasis of Dean Wilcox at the law school, and I know there are a number of scholarships -- we probably need more -- to make the law school more affordable to people, to minority students especially, African American students, in our state.
I was chair of the search committee that resulted in the hiring of the first African American dean at the university since Reconstruction. And that was at the law school, and I chaired that committee. I think it's something that -- you know, it's always a matter of resources. I think I put in my questionnaire that one of the biggest challenges at the university is increasing endowment. To the extent you can increase the endowment, you can create more money for scholarships. And I do think in addition to merit-based scholarships, we have a fundamental weakness in the number of need-based scholarships that we offer at the University of South Carolina. And one thing I want to mention on that subject, not the law school specifically, but when I chaired the intercollegiate athletics committee by the board of trustees, I led the negotiations with then-athletic director Eric Hyman to get a commitment from the athletics department that they would be primary funders for something we call the Gamecock Guarantee, which is a program to fully fund the tuition and fees for impoverished students, and there's a bare threshold of 17,500. There are people who qualify for admission to the university with that low income, and this covers all of their tuition and fees.
And I was -- if I may say so, I was a big part of getting that program in place, and in further discussions, we've gotten that up to a minimum of $2 million a year that goes directly from athletics into that fund for lower income students.
From the beginning to finish, what's the cost associated? From the beginning to end of law for in-state students, and is there a separate cost for out-of-state students?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Senator Alexander.
Please explain to me your participation level as a board member. How would you classify that?
In terms of my actual attendance at meetings, Senator Scott mentioned the year I was traveling a good bit as president of the American Bar Association. Overall, in the past four years, my attendance, committee meetings, and board of trustees meetings combined is 87 percent. But since I gave up that --
Since December of 2015, I haven't missed any meetings. I understand it's particularly necessary or could be potentially lifesaving for children with epilepsy. But I think what we have to do -- and based on this conversation, I intend to go back and look and see how we're focusing that research. That's where I need to have a deeper understanding of what goes on in that lab and how we can be of greater service.
I know there are lots of permutations and angles when you look at marijuana and the legalization of marijuana. And I think it's something that requires a lot of careful thought. I do think that what we need to find out and what I need to find out as a trustee is what exactly are we doing. How do we focus that research so that we are addressing it from a medical standpoint?
Mr. Hubbard, a group of students came to see me last year with a suggestion that we allow these -- I think this was the student body president -- to be a voting member of the board of trustees. Do you have a thought on that? I have been fortunate enough and at times unfortunate enough, I guess, to serve on the USC Board of Trustees for the last 24 years. I have you to thank for that. I'd like to be reappointed to the board. I have enjoyed most of it, as I said. The budgets are never fun to discuss, as all of you know. I consider it an honor. And as corny as it sounds, I think it's somewhat payback time. I finished at the University of South Carolina, and it's been good to me. My wife finished there, and both of our children finished there.
So thank you.
Staff, is all of the paperwork in order?
In your notebooks, Members of the Committee, over on the left-hand side are the skinnies on the people, and Mr. Lister was the first one to let us know through the board that he was going to be out of town when we're screening the rest of USC. So he is here by himself today representing the university. And the abatement program is not a situation where we pay the students money to come here. It's a reduction in abatement in what they pay. It's to make us competitive.
Those students pay $5.7 million towards scholarships for in-state people each year. They also contribute $9 million towards the buildings and infrastructure for the university on an annual basis. That is really our number-one source of revenue.
So to answer your question, no, sir. I don't think we are turning down South Carolina students.
Any other questions?
Leading in on that same question, your in-state intake for students is 57 percent, but you accept 90 percent of applications. That doesn't mean your intake is 90 percent. It means your application process is 90 percent.
That's what the other senator mentioned that I had some real concerns about, because I think the university assesses the district, and it monitors that fairly close. But the concern is the Columbia campus, which creates a whole different makeup. A lot of those kids don't have to live on campus and the fact that most of the kids who are accepted in the freshman class received a lottery. And so if your SATs are not at a certain point, you know, a certain percentage of your graduating class, you're just not going to get in. And so that's where the real concern is, in recognizing the percentage that we do give, we're still concerned as it relates to aid.
And I think you said it better than anyone else did: using out-of-state students for the purpose of paying for buildings and construction at the expense of not being able to bring in in-state students, especially students who want to come to the Columbia campus. And that's a real problem.
On the Columbia campus, we have approximately 3,500 African American students. In the system, we have approximately 7,500 African American students.
But you're right, we can do better. Okay. The other question, diversity. And I see that y'all get it. Y'all have hired an adversity officer and moved forward, and you have had some problems in the area of, and you may still have some problems.
And my understanding is the diversity officer is trying to deal with it, especially with people posting negative things that brings on a negative impression to the institution. Because you don't really embarrass one group of people. You embarrass the entire student body when you do those kinds of things.
Are you increasing your security in those particular areas? Are you having more security added for walking around? What are you doing to try to keep that kind of atmosphere outside of the institution?
And my last question, and I'll let you know, judges in South Carolina retire at 72. What is your feeling also about members of the board of trustees following that same pattern? That will become a conversation a little bit later on, giving the institution an opportunity to grow some young people coming into the board of trustees. Getting back to the number of in-state versus out-of-state students -- and I asked this question of the Clemson Trustee Candidates, and one of their applicants stated that a lot more in-state students have the tendency to remain in South Carolina who become employed where the out-of-state students will go back to wherever they came from. In fact, I think he's listed after five years, it was only 15 percent of the out-of-staters stayed in Carolina.
So my concern is, you know, we're educating these people, giving them abatements, and they're not staying in our state. And so I agree with my colleague. I think we need to really take more of a look at our in-state people. I know they may not bring in as much money to the table for the university, but they'll probably stay and work and, you know, pay back in the way of taxes for the next 30 or 40 years. What's the desire of the Committee? Oh, you have a question? Oh, okay. I got a motion.
Senator Alexander.
Two things. One, as far as your term on the board, please, for the record, provide me your involvement as far as attendance at meetings and things that are required by you. What kind of -- 90 percent? 95 percent?
Getting back to this, I want to make sure I understand on the -- you're saying that 57 percent of your students on the Columbia campus, at the Columbia campus, are in-state students?
So back to Representative Whitmire's point, most of them that are from out of state are leaving the state once they get our education. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I did have one quick question. I'm going to try to ask this question throughout all of our screenings as well.
What percentage of your operating revenues are appropriated to the university by the state?
Does that include money for lottery scholarships?
In other words, if you receive lottery money from the state from -- for scholarships, is that included in your 10 percent?
CHAIRMAN SENATOR PEELER: Senator Alexander. It says freshman enrollment as of the fall of 2017 who applied was 26,013; enrolled was 2,574. WCGPA average high school was 47.04. SAT was 1254. Average ACT was 27.3. So if you follow that same scenario, you're not going to lose very many students going into your sophomore, junior, and senior year because of this: the ACT, SAT, and what's your grade-point average. So that simply means that you're going to always be carrying a heavier out-of-state load of students, and it means that you are at some point going to end up with about 50 percent of out-of-state students, which is the concern that this panel is trying to say to y'all. Yes, we want you to get the best and brightest students, but at the same time we want you to watch your enrollment numbers as you enroll all these out-of-state students for the pure purpose of paying the bill, because that's not fair to the in-state students whose parents actually pay the taxes. And the 10 percent that you do get, they pay it over the long haul, long before they even get to the institution. They've already made an initial investment into the school. And so that's where the real concern is. Not just USC. We're not just picking on USC. All of them are having that kind of problem. And what that means is our best and brightest students are going to go someplace else. And some of the issues we're having as we look at where we are nationally in education, we can't maintain teachers and others, and when we look to these institutions to be able to produce them, they can't because they've gone someplace else. And once you get out of state someplace, you're not going to come back. And so if you don't get educated here, you're not going to tie yourself and come back when you've spent most of your adult life someplace else, the early part of your adult life for four years someplace else. So I want you to take a look at that. That's a major concern as you try to balance the budget and also try to balance the students, which means that every student who is in state who comes to you for 2,600 or 2,700 gets the lottery money. And so that's almost half of the load. The rest of it you're loaded with out-of-state students.
Thank you so much.
Is there a second? Any other discussion? We'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you, Toney.
Good afternoon, sir.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Would you like to make a brief statement? It's been a great opportunity, a hobby, I guess. And people asking if I have a hobby, my hobby has been public service during my life, just as all of yours has been, and it's a great opportunity. There's nothing like it, to do something and feel good about it. So I have definitely enjoyed my opportunity to serve on the board of trustees at the university, and I hope to be able to continue that. I'm excited today, even though it's been a long time. I have seen a lot of things there. I'm always excited about new things, and we have adopted a new outlook on history. We call it a procedure to take 3 percent of our budget and allocate that to particular areas of excellence to try to make an excellent university even more excellent.
So this is a new thing, which I know the president has spoken on in the past. And so I'm looking forward to seeing that come to fruition.
Let me ask you about the excellence thing that you just mentioned. All I could think of was -- sorry to my Clemson people here, but when Dr. Barker took over as president of Clemson, one of his goals was to turn it into a top-twenty university. So I was just wondering what kinds of things would be your measurables as far as the types of programs or things that you all would see that you would do to make the University of South Carolina more excellent.
By the way, I have two. I have one graduate and one getting ready to graduate. So I'm not criticizing. I'm just asking, so... This one is not asking for new funds, but looking at what we're spending our money on and seeing if we could put some of that together and do a package of excellence -- and you ask about specifics -- they haven't been decided upon yet. But I would think they're going to be more in the health area, like the medical school, like the School of Public Health. These are some areas in which we are already good and significantly good, but certainly they could be improved with the ability to get the best researchers and the best professors from other schools and bring them to the University of South Carolina. The problem has always been that the University of South Carolina, if you get somebody good and as they progress and they become known, somebody with a lot more money grabs them up. And, I mean, it's nice to have your people placed in other schools, but it's kind of disappointing when you lose a real good person because we can't match what some of these other people can do. So I think that also would be an opportunity to keep some people here, and to concentrate in that area. With regard to the Bridge program, our Bridge program is a method of where we take the students that don't meet the criteria, but they're close. They're real close. And we share this -- they get admitted to tech, to Midlands Tech. And then when they complete that program, then they get to live on campus. During that time they're not university students, they're tech students.
But they get to move into the university, that small group of people, 600, but it's really important to them. And it's a place where someone can show that they're committed even though they simply cannot test out on the SATs, but it does give them an opportunity to come forward.
Revisit -- what struck a real nerve with me a few minutes ago -- the question that was asked from the House side. I do remember the $200 million that we gave, what was called the Big 3.
And that same $200 million we gave -- well, I think it took some eight years to do it -- a lot of kids did not get scholarships because we took that money off the top for the purpose of doing that. And so I'm looking since the Big 3 -- Clemson, ICAR; USC, economic development; and MUSC's research school of medicine and health -- I just want to revisit some of those kids who, because of what we did, was unable to get scholarships, and we looked at all these institutions who raised tuition. I mean, tuition just kind of went out of the window with cost of tuition.
Tell me a little bit about your discussion or discussion the board is having to try to slow down the growth and cost and tuition as it relates to the number of different campuses that USC has. And so in searching for revenue sources as you know based on some of the questions that I heard briefly when I came in a few minutes ago and the questionnaire, which I filled out and sent in to you, the number of nonresidents has increased substantially at the university. And that is one of the areas in which we gained tuition revenue to be able to hold and check the tuition for our residents. We get $9,600 from an average nonresident, whereas it's about counting everything with reductions, et cetera, it's around $5,600 for our residents.
So that is really our main source of revenue, it's this nonresident tuition, and I think it's worked effectively. I think it has worked effectively.
Senator Alexander.
Good afternoon. Good to see you, sir. Then after we take everybody, which is 90 percent of everybody that sends in an application to the University of South Carolina who is a resident. Send in an application, fills out an application at the University of South Carolina, we take them. The other 10 percent, there are other avenues for them to get there if they wish, like the Bridge program that I mentioned or go to one of our other campuses and then come into the university.
But getting back to what you're asking, I want to give you a straight answer -- which is what I certainly want to do -- It would be interesting to know what you're looking at number wise of students going from 57 to 65. I mean, granted, any amount of money, I just would like to maybe have the staff, USC staff, provide me those numbers of exactly what it is we're talking about in numbers we're talking about in dollars that you're foregoing and total from that.
Do you understand?
And I would anticipate that you are heavily engaged with all the committee and with your attendance.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. von Lehe, it's been probably a year, maybe slightly less than a year, since the Senate Medical Affairs Committee had a hearing on a pending bill before the senate now authored by Senator Davis from Beaufort. Nonetheless, we did have testimony, and I believe it was a professor. And I apologize, I can't immediately place my finger on his name for a good pronunciation. But we did have participation from, I believe, an Arnold School of Health professor.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Mr. von Lehe, thank you for your service for the last 21 years on Carolina. Well, Mr. von Lehe, I've got a quick one.
The Commission on Higher Education, there is some concern over there that higher ED in South Carolina is on the edge of the cliff, and if we continue the way we're going, we can't sustain one. Have you been following their comments, and do you have a comment about it?
Motion is a favorable --
It repeated testimony from various people who attended these town hall meetings or what have you from those schools. And they have painted a different picture financially from what I read, and that -- at least reportedly some of the -- the commission had said. I hope that what was reported by the financial officers or president's education committee of some of the smaller public schools -- I want the best and more accurate.
With that in mind, Mr. Chairman, favorable report.
You know, think back on the College of Charleston, which was a private school, but eventually the state had to take over the College of Charleston and run it. This is the kind of thing I think could happen again. So I think, in that respect, it certainly is something for the public bodies in this state to be on the lookout for: What's going to happen to the private schools? Because you may be called on to take them over. Seconded. Any other discussion?
Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand. This is the meeting for College and University Trustee Screening Commission. Next is University of South Carolina. We're going to carry over Mr. Williams, and in the interest of time, Mr. Westbrook is here. If there's no objection, we'll move to Thad Westbrook, 11th Judicial Circuit, University of South Carolina.
Mr. Westbrook, for the record, if you would give us your full name.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee, for having me here today. Four years ago when I came before you seeking the election, I told you that I wanted to continue in my work on the board of trustees to fulfill the university's mission of providing access to our diverse population here in South Carolina, to higher education, to four-year degrees; and in doing so, I wanted to create greater access to the university system, and I think we've done that over the last four years. I was on the selection committee for our chancellor for the Palmetto College. That was Chancellor Elkins who was selected to help implement that program, and we've seen growth every year in that. That is just one of the ways that we've provided greater access to our university and utilizing our eight campuses that way.
But that is why I'm seeking reelection today, this year, is to continue to provide greater access to the university and four-year degrees.
Staff, is the paperwork in order?
Senator Verdin. Mr. Westbrook, I've worn out the Committee with this line of questioning for all MUSC and USC trustees. You might have gotten a heads-up. I don't know, but I'm inquiring about research and development of medical marijuana at the USC School of Medicine. It's a different playing field than we have now.
So my qualifications are if the Food and Drug Administration as well as the Department of Justice had a more favorable posture for developing this science of medical marijuana, and even if public and private grant opportunities were available, do you see that as a -- would you be open to USC School of Medicine, and even further, would you give positive direction or encouragement for something that is a -- it's a freight train of an issue. Every time I check with other states, there is another state that in some form or another has legalized medical marijuana.
We are the state's flagship school. I don't want to get out of step. So, yeah, I would be open to it because the state has been open to it. The state had legislation on it, but I would want to make sure we're working with the state and we're in line with the state's policy on medical marijuana.
Yes, it's not something tomorrow or the next decade or your next term even. This is here now, and we are frustrated. Some of us are frustrated as public policy makers because we very intentionally want to err on the side of sound science.
Senator Scott.
I will note -- I'm sure you read about it -- we had a terrible incident in Columbia where someone came onto our campus and posted some terrible flyers -- And that is something that has been a subject of discussion. I know when I saw it, I saw it on my on social media first from a student government representative, and from there I called our chief diversity officer to find out what was going on. And, unfortunately, we didn't have cameras in the right places. We had some issues as far as, I thought, security that need to be addressed. We need to be able to identify and keep those kinds of folks off our campus. But it also emphasized the importance of having the dialogue. So if any type of incident like that happens that causes our students to feel unsafe or unloved, it's is a huge problem for us, particularly in the state of South Carolina. We've got to be in front of that as much as possible. I think there's more we need to do on the security side, but, also, I think we need to have -- we need to continue the dialogue with our students.
The president had a forum in the middle of campus last week for our students and faculty. I thought it was an important part of the discussion, but it's not the complete discussion. There's more to be done. And so we've seen a little bit of a drop there. I think that's because we have grown so much and the extensions have not kept up. I know that there is an emphasis to do our part to make sure we are enrolling and graduating, particularly African American students. We are number one in the state as far as enrollment and graduation. We're also number one in the Southeastern Conference. We're ahead of 97 percent of the schools in the country. So we're doing a good job. It doesn't mean we're done. There is more to be done. One program that is being talked about right now is a program that we -- it's loosely called Think College. Think Carolina. That is a program that would go into the schools in South Carolina, middle schools and high schools that yield fewer numbers of African American high school graduates. I'm sorry. College entrants. High school graduates but then who don't go to college. And so our idea is to try to get with them early. Let them know about the resources available. Have them thinking about college early on. And if the parents aren't as familiar with the process, we can help provide guidance as far as the process for getting ready to go to college.
So that's one thing we can do. There are others. Out president did mention to the Ways and Means Committee ideas of trying to hold tuition flat this year, and, in fact, trying to work out something there on the funding side. We'll see where that goes. I'm certainly interested in that. I am concerned about tuition because of the access issue. I opened -- my account is not accessed. When I ran, I talked about access. And for me, personally, dealing with -- knowing young families who have children who are getting ready to go to college, I worry about the cost of tuition. Now, one thing we can do, we need to explain to folks that the sticker price for tuition is different than what the average South Carolinian pays. It's a little less than $6,000 a year, but there's also -- that's tuition cost. There's also room and board and books and things like that.
And so it is an investment that people are making, and we've got to do our part to try to keep the tuition --
Out-of-state students, you asked as well? That's not an ideal model, but it's where we are now. For the Columbia campus, we have infrastructure issues that are preventing us from growing much more. We're getting about to the limit. In fact, we need to do some more on lab space in particular for undergrads.
We're not busting at the seams, but we're getting close. There's only so much we can do with growth as far as generating revenue, which is what we have done over the last 70 years. In talking with student affairs, my understanding is the admissions process is one that takes the initial slice where the kids who get the first letters are usually the ones who are just no-brainers based on grades and standardized test scores. They're coming right in, and they're getting acceptance. It's when you get into February and March, you're looking at the question of, Are people on the border? You know, we think they're college ready or we think they're not college ready, but let's go hold this for review.
So there is within the admissions department -- they call it a holistic review, but they go deeper than the top-line academic profile. Now, as far as how deep they go, I don't know.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Ms. Henderson.
Thank you, Mr. Westbrook. Tell me about Gamecock Recovery and where you are on that program. Gamecock Recovery is a newer program at the University of South Carolina Columbia campus where we are working to provide services and support for students who are in recovery. We all recognize that the opioid epidemic is a huge problem in this country. Our state is impacted by it tremendously. And we reflect the state in many ways, and we are having students come to us who are in recovery, and we have students who become addicted and go into recovery while they're with us. And I think it's imperative for us to provide support through what we call the Gamecock Recovery program. It is a newer program. It's one that needs to grow, I think. It is one that we need to centralize on campus. And there's some ideas out there right now. We're having discussions. In fact, we have some citizens who are willing to help support the university in this effort. But we are working to provide a more centralized program where students have a home, students who are in recovery have a home and who -- rather than washing out of their four-year education, they have the support they need to continue through recovery but also finish their degree, hopefully on time or as close to on time as possible.
And so that is a program that I have an interest in us continuing to expand, which I would include expanding through our budget and funding that program more heavily than we are now. It's an important part of what we do for student life. But I want to say thank you for doing that because I will tell you, when I questioned the Clemson trustees about what they would be doing, they said, "Well, they can go to the health center." Okay. Well, we know that that's really not going to work for students.
So at least I give y'all credit for at least taking the first steps to develop something that is actually going to provide a good service to your students.
But I don't have the numbers for that. But it is something we need to be aware of. But I think we have had a recent conversation about it. We need to do more to figure out those numbers. And my idea was to match them with local folks to have a mentor here who hopefully would help them understand what's available to them here in South Carolina but also to help them open doors and meet people, because the out-of-state folks don't really know anyone here. So if someone locally could help introduce them around, the more likely they will stay here.
That was a small group. It's a class that continues on with, you know, a small group of mentors. But there are things we can be doing to help encourage our students, our out-of-state students, to stay here in South Carolina and contribute after we finish educating them.
Senator Alexander. Good afternoon. Good to see you.
Describe for me your participation level as a board member, please. I also attend many of the commencement ceremonies. I can't say I have attended all of them. We have 14 every May, but I have attended many of them in past terms. I've been on each campus multiple times. We have chancellors at each campus, and then we have the Palmetto College chancellor of the two-year campuses as well. And so they all report to us through the president, and we -- when I am chairman of academic affairs, their program comes though my committee from all the other campuses for strategic planning. We've just been -- we're wrapping up a plan for Columbia, but the next step is to have the chancellors for each of the four-year campuses come in to do strategic planning and talk to us about their plan.
For example, last month I met with the new chancellor at USC Upstate and spoke to him about his strategic plan. He's coming to our committee within a couple of months to present on that plan. So we are very much involved in the other campuses.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What's the desire of the Committee? Motion is favorable. Any other discussion?
Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise your right hand. Next, we have of C. Edward Floyd from the 12th Judicial Circuit.
Good afternoon, sir. We went on the retreat at that time, I think at Pawley's Island. We stayed there about as long as -- spend very little money, and we sat out, and we worked out a plan. We laid out a plan that you can serve as chairman for four years and so forth, and we started putting all of your resources out at the administration buildings. We put them in student services. And today, today this last freshman class, we have over 5,800 students in the freshman class. And I hear a lot of you talk about out-of-state students. My goal at the University of South Carolina is to educate the people of the state of South Carolina. I've talked a lot about this over the years, and really believe we do not turn down any South Carolina student that has a 1050 on their SAT. Maybe we ought to go to a thousand. I don't know, but I think sometimes -- and I've had this happen in my family -- when kids are admitted and they really can't make the grade, I'm not sure you do them a service. And I've enjoyed my service on the board, and I certainly hope to continue.
Thank you.
Staff, is his paperwork in order?
On your personal data questionnaire, question number 11, it asks your congressional district, and you put the 12th Judicial Circuit. Will you clarify that and tell us what --
You originally answered no, that you had made no contributions. We received a letter from you last week with some contributions, but it was for one year. Will you please provide the Committee with the prior four years instead of -- Questions?
Senator Verdin. But my children became very aware of what was going to be necessary when they were in 7th, 8th grade because it was something they were mindful of. So finding that right balance for our flagship institutions is going to be critical because there is a lot to be said. One of the previous trustees has already said that his career in many ways could have been made by his college experience. I'm going to just read a statement and just really look for a head nod because I think you're going to be in total agreement with the statement. I mentioned earlier that the Virginia House of Delegates and the Virginia Senate almost unanimously passed a which, and it really was strictly limited to oil. But the statement was made by the lead sponsor, an OB-GYN named Senator Dunnavant, and she said, "I finally decided that I needed to be -- that I needed to advocate for the physicians being the decision makers. We know physicians are the ones that follow the literature and know which treatments are best for different conditions. "The literature on medical cannabis is going to be evolving rapidly now, and because of this, it is not a decision that should be in the hands of the legislature. Instead, it should be with physicians."
I like how that rings in my ear. The only thing I question is how rapidly is the medical literature going to evolve that she is speaking to?
And so I'm certainly prejudiced about it. So you would know where I would stand on anything.
Thank you.
But I'd like to get a little bit -- some of your comments about what you all are doing in your efforts to really establish that. For students that are struggling, they need those resources, and you know that, I know. Now look what's happening. I mean, I shouldn't say this, but I think our doctors sometimes are the blame. I mean, my grandson went to a urologist. He was cystoscoped about three or four times. He didn't need to be cystoscoped. He wanted to get the Percocet.
I mean, I don't know how we change. But a lot of it is your own fault, and I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't.
But I think that we are -- as a body, we are making some progress, and I think one of them is alternative pain management techniques and things like that and counseling for people to understand. Let's talk about when y'all were trying to find the 2,000 students to fill your freshman class 29 years ago. Tell me about the growth among African American students and faculty at the university, your input, your outlook, and what we can do better, because we continue to recruit some of the topnotch industry in the world to come to South Carolina.
Also, with them are the families who also come and seek jobs, employment and training and education. What's your outlook on that? Senator Peeler may remember when I first came to first run for the board of trustees at the university, there was a black doctor in Florence named Dr. Beck, which I don't know if you remember Dr. Beck, but he controlled the whole 6th Congressional District. My uncles had a hospital that they turned into a not-for-profit hospital. We were the only -- we had three hospitals in Florence. We were the only hospital in Florence that would give him privileges. I worked with him for years. He came up here when I ran and campaigned for me to be on the board of trustees at the University of South Carolina. Now, I'm sure you probably won't like this, but he even came to my house when Strom Thurmond came one time. So, anyway, he was a great friend, and he served -- he went to Shreveport when the crew went to look at the medical school in Shreveport. I helped him get on that committee, and I spoke at this funeral. Representative Alexander was a pastor at that time. And at the present time, we put a new medical building in Florence. Our foundation put in $7.5 million, which I'm the chairman of. And Francis Marion put in -- I think the legislature did -- put in $7.5 million. And Dr. Beck's statue is in front of the medical building treating a young patient. So anyway, over and over, we had a doctor in Lake City. I went to Lake City to operate. He came, and he graduated from to Columbia University. He did a residency at the University of Florida in pediatrics, and the hospital doctors wanted to kick him off the staff. He was a great physician.
I went to the attorney for the hospital who was Toy Nettles's daddy. Y'all remember Toy. Toy's daddy was a lawyer, and I said, "If you kick him off the staff, I want you to know I'm going to go to court and testifying that he was being discriminated against. And I want you to know that I will fight all my life to be sure everything is fair and everybody gets a fair opportunity."
And so I have to ask the tough questions and have to live with certain situations every day of my life.
So that's why we ask these questions. Brought his transcript. He was in the Honors College at the University of South Carolina, and he had made one B on his medical test. That was all. But the doctor was a good friend of mine from Lamar, and he said, "Eddie, this young man came to my office the day of the test, and he had a terrible toothache, and I gave him a gram of codeine for the pain, and he said he was going back up to take the test."
Well, he made fair on the test. By why -- here's a kid that's been at the University of South Carolina four years and made one B, and one day he got turned down. That's not right. I mean, but you've got to depend on some things.
Senator Alexander. All in favor, raise your right hand.
Thank you. I was in the operating room one day, and I got an emergency call. I actually at one time put in more pacemakers than anybody probably in the state, and I got a call -- actually, we, the surgeons, used to put them in, and the cardiologists started putting them. And I got a call from the cardiologist in the operating room, and he called me to come down. He couldn't get the pacemaker in. So I went down there and everything was scrubbed, and I went in, and I put the thing in. I didn't really have too much trouble putting it in. I got it in and got ready to walk out of Dr. Beckett's room, and I said, "By the way, who is the patient?"
He said, "Dr. Beck."
Thank you, Doctor, very much.
(All members raise hands.)
Next, Mack Whittle from Greenville.
For the record, if you would give us your full name. The question was asked earlier about the financial condition of the university, and I have been on the board 31 years. When I first came on the board, when we got our budget, it was a document, just -- over the course of the last ten years through the help of a lot of folks behind me, the university has put together a strategic plan with a strategic planning committee to improve the academics and just the place in general. And we have redesigned the budget system that we just recently put into place so that we have individual budgets on every college, and it looks more like a business budget and P&L. So we know the schools that are making more money than others. Not that it matters how much they're making, but we are better able to manage the university from a financial perspective than we've ever been able to. There's far more transparency of what we do financially and as it relates to the board than it was in the past. Are there worries? Sure, there are worries. You know, the debt bothers me like it bothers a lot of y'all. If we were to have a large decline in the number of students for whatever reason, then if you've got debt on your books, you've got to deduce the quality of students coming in to keep your revenue up to service the debt, or you've got tough financial issues. So it truly is a balancing act, and I think, as I said earlier, there's far more transparency than there has been in my 31 years. The board is much more informed about what we're doing and how we're doing it. We referenced the initiative that was put in place to improve the academics and how we took 15 percent from each college and put it in a pool, and then we are using that pool to fund those initiatives, and the strategic plan will allow the university to go where we want it to go. So there's a financial incentive for each one of the colleges to do better, and we're measuring things like graduation rate.
Most of the debt that college kids accumulate, they accumulate it in the fourth and fifth and sixth year. If we can get your kids out quicker, then we can, number one, get them in the workforce quicker, and we can help them reduce the debt that they're burdening their families with. Mr. Whittle, I think you answered it. We needed to know how many years you had been on the board or when you were first elected, and you said you had been there 31.
And you disclosed that you had been fined by the ethics commission for a late filing. Do you have any idea what year that was? And then there is another process that they go through now, which is a more holistic way of looking at what did they do, where did they go to high school, if they've got a low SAT but high GPA. You know, they do something special. Was there a tragedy in their life that maybe kept them from making decent grades in one year? So there is more of a holistic process that we go through. Academics is still important, but we try to look more at the individual at that particular point. The African American and minority piece, you know, we do our best to recruit, and we actually have recruiters throughout South Carolina and surrounding states, and they make every effort they can to try to recruit the African American students. We lose a lot of the real high academic African American students in South Carolina. We're not able to retain them.
Senator Allen and I talk on a regular basis, and we look at them in our district, and we try to go out and start recruiting them early and get the university involved, with them early, so that we can convince them why it's important for them to stay in South Carolina. We then go back and visit those particular degree programs, and if they don't perform as they should have performed, then the dean has got to explain that to us. And we actually will eliminate programs? We've gone through a number of occasions eliminating course matter, as well as degree programs, and I think that has gone a long way to help us better understand who we are as a university. Somebody said earlier, "We can't be all things to all people." You know, we have an outstanding business school, and we attract students from all over the world to the business school. We're now trying to move into health sciences because that's such a big need for our state. And we're allowing that students that come in and agree to major in health sciences, they get a separate dorm. They get some special perks to encourage them to come in.
So we really view -- obviously, arts and sciences are very important. That's, you know, one of the cathedrals we have, but business, health science, and arts and sciences are who we are.
You know, we are hopeful at some point to have a health sciences campus somewhere where we can accommodate more students than we can accommodate now.
Given your financial background, maybe, you know, related somewhat to Senator Scott's question, your strategic plan, does it address the future of online learning and the remote classroom and ways to take advantage of that so that we can drive down the cost of education? You know, in the summer a lot of the classes and dorms were empty. We had summer school, but we are now trying to encourage kids to come. You know, we're teaching classes longer. We've got a better utilization of the brick and mortar that we've got as well as the faculty. That is an initiative, and that initiative is to help us improve that graduation rate. We want to move the graduation rate down. If they can't access the classes, then they've got to stick around a little bit longer, and their parents have got to borrow more money or pay more money for them to stay on a little bit longer. You know, I'll give a little story like Dr. Floyd did. The company I was with had the second Internet bank buried inside of our bank. It doesn't sound very sexy today, but at the time it was unheard of. And we thought it would eliminate brick and mortar. We thought that the old branch would totally disappear. What it did was it increased the velocity, meaning that people had more transactions. They checked their balances more often. Did the brick and mortar utilization go down? It did. We sensed some of that at the university that a lot of the classes were being taken by many not degree people or people that have had to leave school for a while because of a family tragedy or other reasons and are taking it, and it's a temporary thing.
So we're closely monitoring the evolution of this, because I agree with you. I think down the road, it would change things. There's, you know, a big argument that the college experience is academic, yes, but the college experience is the relationships and the people you meet and learning to live on your own. And learning to do the things when you're independent are not as important as the academic aspect of it, but are equally important in some cases.
Do it remote. Do it on a television. We have facilities there, you know, and you can do remote. You can do it, you know, via the Internet, and you can make it interactive. They can be in the classroom in the Upstate, hear the professor down here, and can ask a question just like they can as if they were sitting in the class here. I might have to just prove I'm pro-something besides just one pitch. I'll ask you a Greenville question.
Governance of the USC School of Medicine Greenville, through the board, I'm assuming. That academic matrix that you measure these incoming students with is as good as any of the other medical school in the state. It's on sound financial footing, and you might imagine that with the Greenville Hospital System funding it like they had funded it. We give back your tuition dollars to help support it. You know, the governance was a new form of governance, and then Jerry Youkey came on, and now he reports to Harris being at the medical school. And Jerry had worked for the administration at the hospital there. So we had to work through some of the governance issues, but I think it's all running very well. We all seem to be very pleased with the way it had operated. They have currently -- and this is some of that collaboration we talked about. Clemson currently has under construction a nursing school building behind the medical school. It's a public-private partnership in which a developer in Greenville is building the building and then leasing it to Greenville Hospital System, and the nursing school in Clemson will occupy it.
I think I heard Jerry Youkey say it's probably the only place in South Carolina where you'll have Carolina and Clemson students going to school in pretty much the same building. Thank you, Mr. Whittle. Thank you for your service. Senator Verdin's questions remind me about something else I wanted to ask you. By the way, I want to say that the Clemson-Carolina GHS collaboration, only that would happen in Greenville because we have so many unique private partnerships that I have learned of in my years here that don't happen anywhere else because of the leadership like yours and others in Greenville that have made things happen, not only there, but in a bunch of other things.
So I want to go back and ask a few more questions about the GHS thing. And that is, are the buildings that the medical school is operating at, are those owned by USC, or are those owned by GHS?
And so it was natural that we occupy that building, and I'm certain that they still own that building.
You know, it's kind of standing on its own or pretty close to standing on its own now and not a financial drain. So I wouldn't see any reason why a third party would want to get rid of it.
So you become more of a teaching hospital -- or not more. You become a teaching hospital, and it just creates more sizzle around what you've got, and you can attract better physicians, I'm assuming, and other folks that would work for you.
At the appropriate time, I'll make a motion for a favorable report. Any other discussion? Hearing none, we'll take it to a vote. All in favor, raise you right hand.
Thank you. Received as information.
At 1:44 p.m. the House, in accordance with the motion of Rep. ROBINSON-SIMPSON, adjourned in memory of Master Savario Tyson "TJ" Gambrell, Jr., to meet at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow.
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